Harness or something else?

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    Harness or something else?

    Hey guys. A puppy buyer of mine from several years ago has a Beagle girl who's had spinal surgery. She si fully recovered now but can never wear a collar again to walk around owing to worry over relapse.

    My buyer wanted to get a harness but is finding it hard to find one that does NOT result in pressure to the upper back or neck region simply by virtue of how they're made. She loves taking her hound out to mingle (and so does the hound!) but now has to carry her and it complicates pottying away from home too.

    She thought of one of those rear/butt sling deals but they do not seem very secure? They also seem like they'd be a bit difficult for an otherwise active dog to manuever/walk in considering they seem made for dogs with mobility problems.

    My only thought was a harness that perhaps had a leash hook in the FRONT on the chest? Is there such a thing? Examples? If anyone has any thoughts on a secure safe way to let this hound down to run around on lead...do share!

    Thanks!

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    Gina, there is such a thing as a harness that hooks in the front.  It is the Gentle Leader Easy Walk harness and it hooks at the chest.  I had one for Bear and it was much easier to control/train him to walk with me.  I don't know if it would work in your friend's situation, but for what I needed, I thought it was great.

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    Looked it up...might work? It'd still be around her shoulders but that is what a harness IS so I doubt we'd find anything that wasn't, lol. I will pass the link along to her that I looked at. Thank you, Tina.

    Keep the suggestions coming too if anyone has a different idea to look into! 

     

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    Why not just use a regular nylon harness, and clip the leash to the front O ring on the chest?

    Like this? It seems like if the leash was clipped to the front O ring it wouldnt put much pressure on her neck or back.

     

     

     

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    If they don't need the "no pulling" feature, you might see if a regular body harness with the leash clipped the front chest ring would work - seems like it wouldn't cause as much torque as a regular front lead harness because of the difference in shoulder strap placement.

    Another thought - what about a small carting harness that is clipped to the leash with a coupler on both D-rings so that the pressure is all chest centered instead of neck centered?

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    that might lead to her legs getting tangled up tho? This dog cannot have that happening too worrisome that she'd fall or get twisted up trying to fix it. There'd still be a bit of downwards pressure on the top of the shoulders/upper back too.

    Challenging!

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    stardog85
    Another thought - what about a small carting harness that is clipped to the leash with a coupler on both D-rings so that the pressure is all chest centered instead of neck centered?

     

     

    Hmm that might work well...actually. Cleo has a carting harness so I can kind of visualize what you mean. Where the traces would be attached at either side....put a coupler then a leash onto the coupler? Lemme pass that along too. Thanks Smile

     

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    When I walk Nikon, I use a longer lead and basically make it knot around his waist/groin area.  For me it serves as a no-pull tool (used to move the dog out to a track when you don't want him tracking to the track, out to the field for protection, or if I'm just taking him to the park to run), but it could be used as a basic harness that avoids the neck and back.

     

    Or what about the Ruffwear harnesses?  They have two belly straps, so you can clip the leash much farther back than a regular harness.

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    What about a step-in harness? I used to have one for Bailey, and it didnt put any pressure at all on his neck. PLus since she is small, the harness would put pressure under her chest because the leash would be going up rather than pulling the dog back like it does with a larger dog.

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    stardog85
    Another thought - what about a small carting harness that is clipped to the leash with a coupler on both D-rings so that the pressure is all chest centered instead of neck centered?

     

    I got the below...that about what you were thinking? Only smaller, and less hairy? LOL...

     

     

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    Several ideas:

    1.  The Easy Walk -- you can actually put that on so it attaches in front OR between the shoulders.  (David likes it one way, I do it the other way).

    2.  They make actual "dress" harnesses that are like a whole "shirt" that just fits tight.  But it would need to have danged good fasteners (not just a little velcro) but that would give support all the way down the back as far as THIS dog needed it.

    Where abouts is this person??  My friend Rita does a TON of sewing -- and she (or someone she knows) might make something like this just to earn a bit of money for rescue and help a dog.  I'm thinking it would be pretty easy to make one even out of a doubled-T-shirt with a band around the low belly to keep him from peeing straight in it??  You'd probably need to sew some relatively stiff gross-grain ribbon a couple of places around the body in order to reinforce it for D-rings to be attached but  it would be easier that way to ensure that it wasn't putting tension on the wrong area.

    This is Dog.com's version -- it's way too small for a beagle, but this is sorta/kinda what I mean

    http://www.dog.com/item/harness-dress-denim-for-dogs/312757/

    3.  NEXT SUGGESTION -- talk to her about a WAGON!!!  Man, we've used a couple and for a special-needs dog they rock.  For Muffin -- who had an iffy spine and a lot of arthritis, we used a child's "Step-2" wagon because it actually had a side door that opened.  I made a sturdy "false bottom" for it but when we opened the side door that meant he didn't have to jump the whole height of the side of the wagon to get in -- BUT when you shut it, it provided the edge the whole way around for safety.

    The Radio Flyer (it's a red one and there is a picture in My Photos with Kee Shu in it) actually COMES with a fold-down to the seats that MAKES a false bottom (see these wagons with seats all have "dips" to accommodate the kids feet and provide a 'seat' for them but for a dog you want a FLAT bottom). 

    I simply took two thick, but cheap, bathroom rugs and basted them together roughly the size of the interior of the wagon -- it makes a thick cushion to lie on but is non-skid as well.

    This way you let them ride as long as you want, then they can walk as long as it's comfortable but the FIRST SIGN of stress they can lie down (while you continue on your way).    Heck, the Radio Flyer actually has its own little canopy to avoid harsh sun and everything.

    It sounds WEIRD ... but  when you've got a dog with spinal issues they are a MUST.  Suddenly you go from having to "carry" the dog (and then you don't GO anywhere because the dog gets TOO heavy) to being COMPLETELY portable.  Generally a dog with spinal issues is pretty smart -- they tend not to just want to "jump" out and you just plain train them to "tell" you when they want out or in.

     Gina either have her email me or just pass on my phone number (if you don't have it, holler and I'll give it to you) and I can tell them exactly how I've done the wagons in the past. 

    Shoot -- we plumb wore out Muffin's wagon and HAD to get the new one for Kee Shu and Tink thinks it rocks!!  She's obviously not handicapped, but it gets her up high enough at Give Kids the World so kids in wheelchairs can pet her -- and Luna uses it for the same thing. 

    When you have a handicapped/or special needs pet, you tend to drag half the world with you and the wagon is danged handy because in that space UNDER the false bottom you can carry cold water and paper towels and treats and all the things you can't otherwise live without!!

    But in the wonderful world of those who SEW (not me) there are actually such things as "patterns" for a harness like I've mentioned.  It's really not that far out of the ordinary.

     

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    The girls both have harnesses from k9closet.com.  She makes them custom to size and both regular harnesses and step-in.  I'm thinking that she could put the D-ring on the side upon request.  Then all pulling would be lateral rather than vertical?

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    rwbeagles

     

    YUP!  *exactly* what I was thinking of! Big Smile

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    Spazzy

    Why not just use a regular nylon harness, and clip the leash to the front O ring on the chest?...

     Exactly what I was going to suggest.  That's what I did when Mick weak in the hind end from the laryngeal paralysis.  The sligtest tug when the lead was attached to the ring on the back resulted in him toppling over.  My personal favorite is Premier's Sure Fit Harness. 

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    When Bevo was first diagnosed as a wobbler, I tried to attach to the O ring of a normal harness.  Maybe it was because of the way that he's built, but he slipped the harness quite easily.

    I love this one because it puts no pressure on Bev's neck because of the way that the "head hole" is designed.  I found it at a feed store & it didn't have a tag when I bought it so I have no clue of the brand, but you can at least see the way that it's designed.

    I also really like this one from WaLK-e-Woo.  The D ring is farther forward than I like it, so I attach to an O ring farther back.  The way that it sits on the chest puts very little, if any, pressure on the neck.  I am using it to back tie Cher to keep her from putting stress on her neck.