Yikes--Scary Incident With Jack at the Dogpark!!

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    Yikes--Scary Incident With Jack at the Dogpark!!

     Yesterday afternoon was nice so we went to the dog park with Jack. When we got there there was a golden and a GSD in there owned by the same people. The GSD was barking at us, but lots of dogs seem to bark at approaching dogs I've noticed and do fine once the dog comes in--not this time.

    The two other dogs ran down to one end of the park so I released Jack at the gate and he ran down to play. As soon as he got to the golden, the GSD ran over and jumped him, growling. Jack didn't cry or anything--I started down there quickly and was calling to him--he got away from the GSD and ran up to me. The GSD caught up to him, tackled him, and had him up against the fence yelping  .

    By the time we got down there the owners had gotten the dog off of Jack. I checked him over and there was no blood just lots of slobber on his head so his face must have gotten it good. But the attacking dog was STILL loose and the people (mother and teenage daughter) could not catch him. We were up against the fence and I was afraid if we moved towards the gate Jack would be more vulnerable so I wielded the prong collar and leash like a weapon and had Jack behind me while the dog kept circling us trying to get to Jack and the girl tried to grab the dog.

    Even better, the mother was scared of the GSD and so would grab him if he got close but just shoo him with the leash. They finally rounded him up and took him to the car. They were very apologetic and very concerned about Jack's well being--which was nice, because I would have had a whole different attitude about the whole thing if they had been asshats. When I told them there was no blood, they were like "Oh good--well, he's never drawn blood before......"

    Apparently this was the first time the GSD had been to the park and they promised me it would be the last. The mother kept insisting the he was the daughter's idea to buy and that he needed to go to a home with "a man or a police force or something" because he was too much dog for the daughter.

    I felt kind of bad for the GSD after that. He had the look of a working line dog and the mom said the daughter didn't do much training with him. He was probably just a dog bored to tears that didn't belong in the dog park. I told the woman that my other dog was not good in the DP and that not all dogs are, and it doesn't make them bad--they just have different needs.

    It ended happily though--they stayed with the golden, who was a good playmate, and someone else showed up with a lab, and a good time was had by all.

    Scary though--never had something quite like that happen at the park....

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    Yikes! Glad it got handled relatively quickly, and wasn't just someone being an idiot.

    Misha been aggressed and mounted by this big lab thing at our dog park, but since it was owners' social time (a phenomena I cannot wrap my brain around), the didn't do anything, and I had to call Misha back to me and body block this dog who simply would not take no for an answer. Luckily, Misha's never been full out attacked before! I hope I'm be as calm as you in a situation like that!

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    I'm just glad it ended the way it did...without any injuries.

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     Poor Jack, and poor you, I'm sure that met your adrenalin rush for they day.  I'm glad to see though that no one got hurt and the people realized that there GSD was not dog park material.

     

    Can't help but think when a very similar thing happened with Kirby at the dog park when a 50 plus pound Australian Shepherd charged and tried to grab him.  Then the owner had the nerve to tell me his dog just likes to chase small fast moving objects... than why would you bring him into the small section of the dog park that clearly states 25 pounds and under...!?!

    Sometimes people make me wonder. 

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    That's very frustrating, both the incident and people getting dogs they can't handle.  I don't bring my GSDs to the dog park.  I'm not sure what they would do but I don't care to find out.  It's not that the breed is dog aggressive, but they are very pack-ish.  Mine get along with all the dogs and humans we know but other than that, they have zero desire to "make friends" with a huge pack of dogs at the park.  I bring Kenya for play dates but even then, we enter the fenced area together.  If she's in there first, she gets very animated at the fence and will bark and carry on at the other dog approaching even though it's her playmate.  But if we walk up together, they have a blast.  Nikon is less tolerant, he wants nothing to do with any dog that isn't already ours (or a baby puppy).  Also my GSDs play really rough and vocal which makes other people nervous.  Coke on the other hand loves the dog park and just prances around trotting and play bowing after other dogs.

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    Johnny&Tessy
    I'm just glad it ended the way it did...without any injuries.

    Ditto! How scary!

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    Yep, the mother is an idiot. 

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    willowchow

    Yep, the mother is an idiot. 

     

    Yeah, I got that impression.  As soon as the GSD was in the car she stayed with the golden and spent the entire rest of the time (about a half hour) on her cell phone, barely bothering to look at the golden.  Lesson for the day--don't bring a dog you're scared to handle to the dog park!

    Lies---I have to say that out of all the breeds I see at the park GSDs seem to have the most issues getting along.  I've never seen one that did all that well--they seem to either guard their people or herd/aggressively chase other dogs.

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    sillysally

    Lies---I have to say that out of all the breeds I see at the park GSDs seem to have the most issues getting along.  I've never seen one that did all that well--they seem to either guard their people or herd/aggressively chase other dogs.

     

    IMO the breed in general isn't really dog park material.  It doesn't bother me, what bothers me is people getting dogs and thinking they are something that they are not or trying to force them to be something they are not.  The dogs aren't really "herding" or anything like that, typically those are just excuses or people trying to rationalize the behavior.  The simple answer is that some dogs just do not belong at the dog park and for the most park, I believe GSDs do not belong there.  If I wanted a dog park dog, it is not the breed I would get.  There's nothing "wrong" with the dog, that's just the way they are.  The aggressive chasing is probably normal, that's how my dogs play but they have the same play style and because we are one household/pack, they already understand the rules and the hierarchy so there is no real competition at work.  In a chaotic environment like a dog park, I would expect them to be very edgy and intolerant and would also expect other dogs and dog owners to not appreciate the play style.

    Now you can get GSDs that are low drive social butterflies and are fine at a dog park but IMO, these dogs are usually not representative of the breed as far as drive, temperament, play style, etc.

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    You don't think some GSDs are actually herding at the park? They're designed to control the perimeter preventing the 'herd' from entering or leaving..... hence the fencing behavior or what some consider aggression. Since they have loose rears, they're type of herding is constantly on the move for rapid changes in direction.
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    jdata
    You don't think some GSDs are actually herding at the park? They're designed to control the perimeter preventing the 'herd' from entering or leaving..... hence the fencing behavior or what some consider aggression. Since they have loose rears, they're type of herding is constantly on the move for rapid changes in direction.

     

    I think the temperament and drive that lends itself to tending large flocks of sheep isn't always compatible with the temperament that lends itself to the dog park, but beyond that I don't see any reason to try to justify or rationalize how a dog behaves at a dog park.  It's either appropriate or it's not.  That's not saying it's bad or good.  My dogs do perfectly well at Schutzhund and herding but they get zero enjoyment out of the dog park so it's futile to try to force it on them as if I have something to prove.  I think the breed in general these days suffers from over popularity and poor breeding, so many dogs lack the proper nerve and are too edgy.  Many GSDs that get kicked out of dog parks would not do well at herding or SchH either.  Just because a dog is biting does not mean it is doing Schutzhund, so I do not see pestering other dogs, resource guarding owners, and fence fighting as herding.  If they were herding at the dog park like they tend sheep out in the open, they would be moving along the perimeter, not interacting with the dogs or pestering them.  Also GSDs do not herd the same way a border collie does.  They move back and forth around a large perimeter creating a virtual fence.  There are times the dog needs to make contact in order to get the flock moving but GSDs are more for tending large flocks (min. 300) out in the open and not so much for moving a handful of sheep around and through obstacles.  A loose rear is not desirable.  I've never seen a loose-reared GSD tending flocks or doing any sort of work day in and day out.