Decisions, Decisions!! Possibility of a new Addition?!?!?

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    Decisions, Decisions!! Possibility of a new Addition?!?!?

    The discussion has come up the last couple of weeks about *gasp* one more addition to the pack. Previously I hadn't really considered that I wanted a fourth dog, however, there are some circumstances that have us discussing a new addition to the group.

    What I am considering, and looking for, is a Zipper son. Zipper will be seven this year, and it will not be long before his stud time comes to an end. Zipper is healthy as a horse at this point, and all his checks and health tests are still A-okay, but it is still that time to start looking towards the future.

    Here's what we're facing:
    - Shimmer, the youngest, is now three years old, so all the dogs are socially mature and we would be ready for a new addition.
    - Gaci and Zipper are aging together, so I do not wish to wait too long for a new puppy, because there is a chance of having to pay more expenses for two aging dogs down the road (knock on wood they are both healthy as can be at this point, at 6 and 6.5).
    - Expense-wise, should not be a problem at this point in time.
    - Time-wise: would have to be a spring/summer puppy. I do not wish to raise a puppy over the winter. The winters here are not ideal times for puppy raising.
    - All three dogs are at a point now where I could pretty much stop training them all and they would all be okay (not that I would ever stop doing that)...in other words they are stable and don't require any extra training anymore.

    Also, there is discussion of children happening in the future (the human variety), within the next couple of years, and we have to be realistic about that. I do not wish to raise puppies and kiddies together. While I grew up with puppies around me, and I know it can be done, and done well, I do not wish to do that, at least not for my first child. So we are facing either getting a pup soon and raising it so it will be grown when the time comes, or waiting three-four years before another addition and again that will put me in a position to possibly having to focus my time on aging dogs. I really do prefer to have a few years between dogs, but not too many.

    The good thing is that it will round out the pack - two males and two females. I couldn't add another female as Gaci has a limit of one female for her comfort zone. The bad thing is, that it will round out the pack. LOL. As in, the newest male's intention (if it works out) will also be as a stud dog to replace Zipper. So another intact male. Now, there are no intact or breeding females in the house, and Zipper is the best dog-dog guy on the planet (no aggression towards other males at all), and I am experienced in dealing with intact males, so it shouldn't be a problem. But it's alwasy a condiseration to have as well.

    So we're at that point of the do we/don't we.

    If I decide to go through with it, we could be looking at a puppy as early as July. He just finished breeding a female that looks to be a good litter. It is this bitch's first litter, though, so even if we decide we are ready now we face going through her first litter to see how the mating takes. On top of that, we face the normal things of not having any males born, or only having one male born (I would prefer 2-3 males to choose from, but in small litters you don't get that luxury always!), or there not being a puppy that will work as a stud dog and the personality that I personally want. If this litter doesn't work out, then the next possible litter for Zipper to breed to would be spring 2011.

    That's where we're sitting right now. We are in no rush to have a puppy, and we have the benefit of being able to pick from this upcoming litter or wait until the next one, because it does have to be the right puppy. I'm not picking one "just because". We just have to decide if this summer will be the right time to raise one or not, which is the point we are at right now!!!

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    Sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this decision!  I vote for NEW PUPPY!!! NOW!!! 

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    Wow you put more thought into this than I put into having children. (Hey, that was a long time ago.) It sounds to me like you decided and hopefully the right boy will be born in this litter since that sounds like perfect timing. Good luck.
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    I've always been big into planning things. Especially something that will in all likelihood be a 12 year commitment or longer. We are pretty much leaning towards a "yes" but haven't really, definitively decided yet.   

    The neat thing is, that despite my experience with dogs and having grown up with anywhere from 10-12 at a time, this will still only be the second dog I chose from puppyhood. Gaci was my first. Zipper was bought by my mother originally and I asked to take him when I moved out on my own, and Shimmer was a pup with special needs we kept back from selling that I decided to keep when she was about six months old. This will also be the first puppy for "us" as a couple, and I know deep down that excites my SO. Especially when I hear little things like "Oh, we'll need to get another kennel....and a little collar that will fit!!".

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    I've gotta ask this...what exactly is the significance of a stud dog?  Do you get to be the first to pick from the litter if you decide on getting one or are there others waiting also?  I know that if this were me and I was leaning towards a YES, just seeing the litter would help with the decision and would most likely push the YES much easier.  I'm sure one would give me the look and that'd be it for me!

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     Ah, man!! You sound so much like me... Logan is still a spring chicken, but when I'm ready to neuter him and retire him as a stud-dog I'll be keeping one of his (male) pups and I'm timing my next puppy based on that event (should everything play out like I'd like to see it happen in an ideal-world situation, of course, sometimes life happens, so we'll see.)  I figure around 8 is when I'll neuter my boy so I'm planning on getting a pup (going outside of the line I have) next year which would put the 3-4 year space between my dogs.

     I thought I was neurotic for putting so much thought into ages/timing, but it really matters!! And I think if you know what your plans are it helps to be ready for that right pedigree/puppy when it all comes up.

     I think your plan is perfect, and I hope you have a nice big litter of males to choose from (though I'm betting the bitch's owner is praying for a pile of girls! :)

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    Johnny&Tessy

    I've gotta ask this...what exactly is the significance of a stud dog?  Do you get to be the first to pick from the litter if you decide on getting one or are there others waiting also?  I know that if this were me and I was leaning towards a YES, just seeing the litter would help with the decision and would most likely push the YES much easier.  I'm sure one would give me the look and that'd be it for me!

     

     I'm not sure what agreement she has worked out with the people who just bred to her male, but generally with a stud dog you can either take your pick of the litter or a stud fee.  If there are others on the breeders waiting list you still get pick, the folk on the list is put on behind the stud dog owner.  Arrangements can be made, such as if the bitch's breeder is wanting to keep a pup, you work out the order of pick, but generally, stud dogs owner, if they want a puppy gets their pick of the litter. Often times it seems like, if you have a nice litter (obviously not every time), many people will pick different pups as "pick" depending on what their priority is.

    And honestly, it's VERY hard not to take a pup when you see the litter, especially when they remind  you of your dog!!  But, you have to think with your head versus your heart and look at the pedigree and your goals in breeding, you want to better the breed, will this puppy accomplish this in your breeding program?  You have to be critical of some very cute pups sometimes, but, it's part of it. A hard part, cause man are they edible at 7 weeks!! :) 

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    Johnny&Tessy
    I've gotta ask this...what exactly is the significance of a stud dog? 

    Some know, but for those who don't my mother is the "real" Mini Schnauzer breeder. When I asked to take Zipper with me when I moved out, I took him on a contract that she would retain the stud service rights to him, whether it is for her own usage or for another breeder to use. I don't really "get" any other rights in terms of what she does with the pups. In this case the reason I would be taking pick male of the litter is because the entire idea will be to get a stud for future generations (and for my purposes a great agility/performance dog!).

    I know that seeing the litter would make it 'easier' to decide (ie: make my mushy-gooshy hormones fly at those helpless little things at birth), but we have to make the decision before the litter comes so that once it is here we won't be swayed! Thankfully I have the years of experience in growing up in a breeding home that I am pretty good at making objective decisions in terms of behavioural and conformational health. Granted I would keep this puppy whether he turned out to be a stud dog material or not, as for me first and foremost it is about adding another family member. However we would likely wait to neuter Zipper (if I decided to at all) until all his health checks cleared and he was proven at least once - dependent of course on Zipper's reproductive health and assuming nothing comes up in that time.

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    Sera_J
    I think your plan is perfect, and I hope you have a nice big litter of males to choose from (though I'm betting the bitch's owner is praying for a pile of girls! :)

    LOL you would think so, but in this case the breeder (aka my mother) and I would be both rooting for males as she will benefit from this as much as I would. Big Smile

    This is a breeding that I really think should make some really nice pups, it's a pedigree I do love and am very familiar with (I know all of the dogs in the first generation or two personally, and I showed the sire of the bitch in question).

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     I have thought very similarly about adding my next puppy (though I'm not replacing a breeding dog). Unfortunately, I feel a little rushed, after unexpectedly losing Emma. My eldest has mammory cancer that doesn't appear to be progressing, but we won't know til we know, you know? The little Bean head has never lived as an only dog. She is only 2, so I'm hesitant, but she's turning into a wonderful dog, and she is coming along very well, in her training. We'll probably have a puppy before she's 4 (which is what I had planned). It has to be the right puppy, one that I can finish, title, and do what I want to do with, and from the right lines. It's exciting, just to think about it, isn't it?

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    Thanks, that's what I was assuming you meant but I wasn't sure.  WOW, at least you have the comfort of getting the dog from your mother.  What's her thoughts on this?

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    Johnny&Tessy
    What's her thoughts on this?

    She's very much in support and agreement - we have talked about it at some length, even to the point of discussing her breeding plans for the next few litters to find out what her plans are and what she's hoping for and what may or may not work for us.  After all, if it works out, she'll benefit by having access to another stud dog for her own breeding program.

    It is exciting, but it's also so mind boggling!! I look at my three adults and think - geez, we are so stable and....complete. LOL. I'm spoiled by them now. I get to sleep in, I don't have to let the dogs out every hour, I get to sleep all night, they are trusted outside offleash to go potty, they love driving in the car and are great travelers, we have all our routines.....I can leave them while going to work for the day knowing they are okay and I don't need to make arrangements for them......to think we may get to start all over again in as little as four or five months in raising a little one and getting him integrated into the group where he'll find his place, is nervewracking and exciting all at once!

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     Kim, I wish all people getting puppies would put as much thought in this decision as you are.Kudos to you for being so responsible!!

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    Rumor was over again for her last breeding, although Zipper has decided that she is now done, and when Zipper says a lady is done, she's done! Cool So rather than get any "action" they just chilled and hung out together. I got a few photos of her just hanging out in the house and thought I'd like to share!

    Now that mating is over we just wait to see in a few weeks if she is indeed pregnant!!