Sally Update....

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    Sally Update....

     I apologize for not updating sooner, but I took a bit of a break from the computer over the past few days to digest and think about the mast tumor thing (plus it's been kind of a crazy-busy week). 

    Sally got her stitches out Friday--her foot did not do great.  It looked good but when the vet started taking the stitches out the tissue was really inflamed.  The vet said this was not surprising and she is still in the cone while her foot finishes healing.  The pathologist said that although my vet only got 1 centimeter margins around the tumor and they prefer to get 2, there did not appear to be any diseased cells in or beyond the margins.  They are doing x-rays friday to make sure it hasn't spread.  Either way, DH and I are thinking we are at least going to do prednizone......  

     She is still very annoyed by her cone and somehow (with the cone on) managed to rip a piece of her foot pad off......

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    Poor Sally, sorry to hear it isn't totally healed up yet.  Sending some good xray vibes to Sally.

    Prednisone = milk thistle and stomach protectant

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     poor Sally I hope she feels better soon!  I missed what was wrong but it sounds bad - heal quickly sweet girl!

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     She had a couple of lumps removed and the one between her toes was a mast cell tumor grade II......

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     OH no poor Sally!!  Thank goodness she has such good humans!!  Lots of loving coming her way!

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    sillysally
    The pathologist said that although my vet only got 1 centimeter margins around the tumor and they prefer to get 2, there did not appear to be any diseased cells in or beyond the margins.  They are doing x-rays friday to make sure it hasn't spread.  Either way, DH and I are thinking we are at least going to do prednizone......  

    This is where I "found" TCVM (Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine).  They didn't get "clear margins" around Muffin's surgical site (under the prepuce area) because there just wasn't any more flesh TO take.  He'd already made it thru so much we decided to try chemo and see how it went. 

    We went to the U of FL at Gainesville (and I would SO recommend a vet school for that -- it is beyond compare -- less expensive, and cutting edge).  Eventually they released Muffin's care to our regular vet for follow up.

    BUT at the same time, I made an appt with Dr. Xie who is also on staff at the University ... I knew of him thru some other vets and when I asked Dr. Clemmons what was the best shot we could give Muffin he said TCVM ... hands down.  He emphasized that TCVM often will literally *augment* chemo but at the same time pretty well neutralize ALL the side effeccts.

    Wow -- I was astonished.  No nausea (at all), no diarrrhea, no hair loss, no upset stomach -- nothing.  There were herbs they had me give him 4 days prior to a chemo treatment, and then herbs to give him ...some for just 6 days after, some continually.

    The Chinese do incredible things with cancer -- the Chinese word for cancer is "stagnant blood" -- so their whole theory to treatment OF mast cell is to make sure the blood is moving thru the body the way it should and that it is actually cleaning via the kidneys/liver as it should.

    Honestly?  At this point if I had another dog get mast cell?  I probably would do JUST the TCVM or a very SMALL amount of chemo.  We found another tumor -- probably 4 months later -- that was actually PRIMARY but had been missed.  They removed the toe (his entire toe was a mast cell 'tumor' - it was more than strange but apparently not uncommon) and sent it out for pathology -- but this was the weird thing.  The TCVM & chemo that we'd been doing actually had eradicated virtually ALL of the cancer in that toe.  The cells that were found were *ancient* (who knew -- mast cells can actually be 'aged' to know how long they've been there) but nearly ALL of them were gone.  That means just the first chemo treatments, PLUS THE TCVM had virtually done what surgery is usually used for. 

    So if you have already used surgery -- your odds of using TCVM to a) keep more mast cell from developing and b) to keep that particular site cancer free -- are darned GOOD. 

    Now, if you go to the Chi Institute website http://www.tcvm.com -- there is a locator on the left.  Plug in your zip code and also check the state listing if you are near a border -- you'll be surprised.  Because so much of Indiana is rural you'll be surprised how many TCVM vets there ARE there.  It's becoming very accepted.

    IF you are interested, holler -- I'll be glad to help you

     

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    I'm sorry to read Sally isn't healing well, but it's good the pathologist thinks that all of the tumor was removed.

    Continued good thoughts for all of you.

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    Feel better soon, sweet Sally.

     

    Deb W.

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     Good vibes for Sally.  Hopefully the worst is done.

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    I must've missed earlier posts about Sally and I'm sorry she's had to go thru this, especially the dreaded cone. I hope the path results are positive and don't show any spread. Give her extra hugs and kisses from me for being so brave.

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    poor puppy! .. i can't imagine how terrible you must feel, knowing your girl isnt 100%. 

    lots and lots of positive vibes and energy, from coco, teddie & myself!  give her some extra special love from me <3

    and extra hugs for YOU too!

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    I am glad to see your update, lots of good healing vibes for Sally and hugs for the humans, Wink

    I hope you do consider TCVM, I dont know how Callie keeps all that info in her head but she has shared her stories of success and many others as well.

     

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    My friend's dog just had a mast cell tumor removed and her vet told her that they almost never stage a tumor at grade one.  So, here's hoping that Sally's is at the low end of grade two and has not spread.  Fingers and paws crossed for you guys.
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    ((hugs))

    Leave your footsie alone and heal up quickly, Miss Sally!

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    sillysally

     She had a couple of lumps removed and the one between her toes was a mast cell tumor grade II......

    I should have said something before -- Grade I mast cell is NOT malignant.  In fact, you and I and everyone else reading this ALL have Grade I mast cell in your bodies RIGHT NOW.  It's normal - it's a histamine cell (yep -- these are largely connected/correllated with allergies) but Grade I is just plain NORMAL. 

    It's only when it begins to replicate 'wrong' -- that's when it becomes Grade II --  and II is the LOWEST grade mast cell "cancer" can be given.  Grade IV (four) is severe at the opposite end of the spectrum. 

    Vets never seem to say it out loud -- but it *feels* like Grade II should mean you missed a whole grade and "gosh it's already a TWO" -- and NOPE -- that's not the case.  They kinda forget to tell us that Grade I is just a plain old histamine cell and we've ALL got them cos we NEED them. 

     BTW -- if you want it, I have an article that Dr. Roger Clemmons from up at UF did -- it's partly a cancer diet (and not a wonderful one, to be honest but the theory behind it is SOUND) -- but the other info on the common herbs that can really help day to day with inhibiting the spread of mast cell -- it's a danged good article.  Email me if you want it (it's an attachment so don't PM me).