Puggles?

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    Puggles?

    My younger sister is in love with puggles (yeeark) and has declared that if she had the wherewithall to get a puppy right now, that's what she'd get.  Fortunately, that's not possible - she's a nursing student who lives at home and a full time job.  But if she suddenly WERE able - please give me sme specific reasons to tell her to avoid this designer breed.  She thinks they are adorable and is sold on all the internet breeder propaganda on how they possess "hybrid vigor."
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    Becca, google PUGS and google BEAGLES.  Find all the congenital problems common to BOTH breeds and use that to combat the hybrid vigor crap.  If you take two parents with say potential for back problems, you INCREASE the liklihood of back problems in the pups.  And I'm not saying back problems are common in either breed....that's just an example.
     
    Further, you absolute do NOT control what pups get from which parent.  Lets breed a dog with a GREAT temperment to a bitch with a horrid temperment.  Which temperment will the pups have?  There is NO way of telling.
     
    I'm gonna quit now before I get up on my soapbox......this kind of mixing to create mutts just PI**ES me off to the nth degree.  No matter WHAT fancy name you come up with, they are STILL mutts.  Might be sweet, loveable, wonderful dogs, but THEY ARE STILL MUTTS!!!  And dang it, if you (collective you) want a mutt, go to the shelter and save a life
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    A hybrid is a cross between two species. Dogs are all the same species. So tell her there is no such thing as dog "hybrid vigor." (Talk to any high school biology teacher!!) So they are lying about the dogs from the get-go.
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    Well, you take a dog that is the consumate lap dog/companion dog - the pug - and mix it with a hunting dog who should be able to go go go all day and use it's nose to track - the beagle.  Pugs are notorious for having breathing problems, aren't supposed to have a lot of stamina (although some certainly do) so they can be at greater risk for overheating and breathing problems.  With their flattened noses trying to track, their protruding eyes are at risk.  Puggles are pretty common here and while I haven't seen any with faces quite as scrunched up as a pug, they do have shorter noses and buggier eyes.  You also have two breeds who live to eat, but don't care awhole lot about training, so you tend to wind up with a dog who looks like a bowling ball on legs that has difficulties being housetrained and learning basic manners.

    Also keep in mind that most puggle puppies are cuter than adult pugs, at least IMO.  If she HAS to have a puggle, she can find one in rescue relatively easily.  It probably won't be a puppy, but it would be everything else she wants.
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    only thing I know about a puggle is that they are soooo cute..
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    ORIGINAL: pomsandpug

    only thing I know about a puggle is that they are soooo cute..


    So are beagles and pugs and just about every other little dog out there.  Unfortunately there's nothing cute about $800 in emergency vet bills when a puggle develops pneumonia due to the short nose or another couple of hundred to deal with food allergies from crappy breeding.  And yes, this did all happen to my puggle client within the span of about 3 months.  Thank goodness her owner adores her and has a job that can afford these kind of bills.  Between health and carpet cleaning, she's going to need a high paying job!
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    ORIGINAL: pomsandpug

    only thing I know about a puggle is that they are soooo cute..


    Well, I'm going to step in and say, man, have you seen them grown up? UGLY! UGLY! UGLY!

    Beagles are cute all their lives. Pugs are not my cup of tea for looks, but their personalities are absolutely wonderful.

    I bet whoever wants a puggle would be perfectly happy with a beagle, or a less ugly mutt from the pound!



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    AMEN Calypso and Jean!!![sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif][sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif][sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif][sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif]
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    Cute? lol....doesn't get cuter than a Beagle pup...nothing added..lol

     
    Most adult Puggles I see are borderline "ugh". Undershot jaws teeth exposed and or tongues as well...ack! Pugs have a charm all their own that's lost when their diminutive size and flat faces are taken away. Most Puggle breeders don't even have adults around...IMO that's because they'd hurt sales lol!
     
    Both breeds have issues of health and of temperament that certainly don't complement each other all that well. But that's just one Beagle person's opinion!
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    Like any other mixed breed dog, there's just no telling what the puppy will look like as an adult or what characteristics (temperment, health problems, etc) it will have. If she gets an adult puggle at a shelter, those things won't be quite so unknown. Plus, she'll be giving a homeless dog a well-needed home. And...she may want to think about why there are so many puggles in shelters around the country.

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    Thanks so much for the rescue links!   I'll pass those on.  She's been involved in my rescue efforts - this came as a total surprise to me, kind of an Et tu Brute? moment!  Y'all are super.
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    I know this is a very old post but ya know what I had to reply.

    First off.. Yes, I have a puggle. Secondly, some of you have nerve. Do you realize that the best dogs out there are mixed? I've had pure bred dogs.. boxer.. shepherd.. boston terrier.. then again I've had mixed dogs too. I'm a dog-lover. And the most well-mannered dogs I've had were mixed. They even had the best health out of all the pure bred dogs I've had and lived the longest! Just because a pure bred dog is pure bred doesn't mean they're any better than a "mutt".

    My puggle has NO HEALTH PROBLEMS and she's an excellent dog. So far she shows no signs of breathing problems as the pug has. She's well-mannered. She gets along great with other dogs. She has the beagle side that is extremely active, loves to play and wants to hunt... but at the end of the day she takes on the pug side and cuddles up with me and will be lazy with me. I have the best of both worlds.

    Oh.. and yeah, I love the way the puggle looks, whether they're puppies or adults. They have a similar face to what a boxer or bull mastiff has but a smaller version of course. They're a small, tough looking dog.

    So if you want to put down these "designer dogs" because they're mixed and cost as much as your pure bred dogs then you better realize the majority of your pure bred dogs aren't as pure as you think. They were mixed too in the beginning.

     

    Lizzie

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    lillizzierae
    First off.. Yes, I have a puggle. Secondly, some of you have nerve. Do you realize that the best dogs out there are mixed? I've had pure bred dogs.. boxer.. shepherd.. boston terrier.. then again I've had mixed dogs too. I'm a dog-lover. And the most well-mannered dogs I've had were mixed. They even had the best health out of all the pure bred dogs I've had and lived the longest! Just because a pure bred dog is pure bred doesn't mean they're any better than a "mutt".

    But just because two dogs of different breeds are intentionally bred, doesn't mean the offspring is any less of a "mutt." Except that it then is a mutt with a $$$$$$$ price tag, instead of a mutt for $50 from the local shelter that really needs a home. That's why people are all riled up. Not because the dog itself is any worse than a purebred, but because breeding it is (in the minds of many). If the only purpose of breeding these "designer dogs" is to produce cute puppies, then there are plenty of cute puppies in the shelters that are also mixed breeds, and every additional mixed-breed bred is essentially taking a home away from one in a shelter. Nothing against the dogs themselves, just against the breeders who contribute to the pet overpopulation problem.

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    What Cita said.

    I love mixed breed dogs. My dog Salem is a presumed GSD / lab mix (we don't know for sure). My problem is that there are mixed breeds in the pound who need homes! They will die if they don't get a home. Why would anyone pay big money for a mutt from a "breeder" when there are so many in the pound that need homes so much more. These "breeders" do nothing more then make the problem worse, and a lot of them will even put there own puppies in the pound when they aren't sold and start to be too much to feed.

    A good breeder (they aren't all good) breeds to better the breed. They don't breed to make money, and a lot of the breeders I know don't make any profit at all.

    These "designer" dog breeders are just out to make an easy buck, and at the same time there are more dogs in shelters not going to a new home. What makes one of these puppies better then any puppy at the pound?

     

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    First, to update, my sister came to her senses.  The Petfinder links really gave her pause for thought.  In fact, she's almost two years older now and realizes that some of the things that attracted her to the web sites hawking this cross - low maintanence, low attention needs - are very good reasons to pass on a dog entirely until her life is more established.  That's maturity for you!

    No one, absolutely no one, ever said cross breeds are inferior in themselves.  Random bred dogs are delightful and giving one that is in rescue or a shelter a home, is a rewarding thing.  I've got two random bred dogs myself and they are probably my best family pets (the jury is still out on Lynn but it looks very good).  But I gave a home to two dogs who needed homes through no fault of their own.  I didn't support a breeder who breeds sheltie/Leonberger mixes or Finnish spitz/Border Collie mixes.

    Trying to pin the "purebred snob" title on people who want every dog to be responsibly bred, is a straw man argument and hardly relevant to the conversation.  I even feel there is sometimes a need for responsible cross breeding on occasion, to create dogs for a particular working function.  When you note that all dogs were originally crossbreds, that is true - but the gene pool of most small companion breeds predates kennel club registration, even.  For instance, pugs aren't miniature bulldogs - bulldogs are large pugs.  The small spaniels, on the other hand, were bred from pure lines for size and cuteness. 

    The point is that there is no real need to crossbreed for the sake of creating companion dogs.  We have plenty of randomly bred dogs in shelters, and when we run out of those, there are the backyard breeders (formerly the main source of nice-ish pets).  And finally if we find ourselves in crying need for companion dogs, we can encourage responsible breeders to step up their efforts, which will ultimately raise the quality and soundness of any breed so affected.