Showing?

If it was a seperate category then that just wouldn't be one of the things taken in to consideration. I'm sure anyone judging an altered animals category would be aware they wouldn't have testicles.

Right, but monoorchids or crypto-orchids can pass on that trait to their offspring.  Showing dogs is about showing breeding stock-if your dog is passing on faulty genes then why would one show them?

Reminds me of a story about a guy with an intact young mono-orchid male-he wanted to show him so he had the vet insert a neuticle.  Wouldn't you know it on show day, the judge felt the dog's testicles and there were 3.  What a shock that must have been for the judge and a horrible and permanent DQ for the dog, as well as a possible fine for the owner.  [:-]

How about this - allowing a dog to be shown as long as it has a Ch title or a certain number of points or something to indicate that it did in fact have the correct anatomy, coat, temperament, structure... before it was altered.  Then the dog can still get more points and a grand champion title or a title from another club.

How would I know? I've never shown an animal.

 
And how would I know that.  You didn't state that you didn't know anything about dog shows in your original post.  As has been stated conformation shows are about determining the best representative of the breed there.
 
As has been stated there are companion dog events held by different organizations.
 
 

Some breed clubs offer altered classes at Specialties. . . and as far as I know the Bearded Collie Club of Canada offers a certificate for "altered champion", which is a just-for-fun class at their nationals.

As far as mutts being shown in conformation, nutsformutts.com

Right, but monoorchids or crypto-orchids can pass on that trait to their offspring.  Showing dogs is about showing breeding stock-if your dog is passing on faulty genes then why would one show them?

I am not entirely sure how showing neutered/spayed animals for the sake of fun, not breeding, would pose any risk of passing on faulty genes.  If I missed something MAJOR in biology though, I could see why you would be concerned.

How about this - allowing a dog to be shown as long as it has a Ch title or a certain number of points or something to indicate that it did in fact have the correct anatomy, coat, temperament, structure... before it was altered.  Then the dog can still get more points and a grand champion title or a title from another club.

I don't see what harm that could pose, with your previously stated purpose of just racking up points for the breeder, not the actual dog as a breeding animal. 
It still leaves my mutt out of it though.  I want to see if other dogs, regardless of pedigree, can land on a speaker smaller than their 4 paws together like mine can   It would be FUN.  Not a breeding program.

And how would I know that.  You didn't state that you didn't know anything about dog shows in your original post.  As has been stated conformation shows are about determining the best representative of the breed there.

As has been stated there are companion dog events held by different organizations.

Well then, I apologize for getting defensive.  It's just been one of those days. 
I didn't know there were companion dog events, and I don't recall seeing that post.  Like MUTT dog events?  But I was never talking about conformation EVER. 
My ORIGINAL post was asking if people did the same horrible things to dogs as they did cats at shows.  So I think that was a REALLY BIG hint that I don't have dog show experience.  Then the show wondering about shows for mutts, conformation was the last thing I ever was talking about.  Although, my mutt does have perfect conformation. 

I dare you to argue with me about it.  hehe, that's a joke.  Cause you know how every mother has the most beautiful baby in the world?  I think it's the same with dog owners. 

I don't see what harm that could pose, with your previously stated purpose of just racking up points for the breeder, not the actual dog as a breeding animal.

Well, it would dogs as a breeding animals, just not the dog herself.  For example, Kenya was bred to Vando vom Weberhaus lotsatitlesblablabla so any additional titles those dogs earn, regardless of whether they are altered or still intact, could continue to speak more highly of their offspring and their breeding.  So, it still falls under the purpose of "evaluating breeding stock" even if it's a generation below. Kenya was fixed before she came to me becuse I have NO intention of dealing with a female in heat, but there's nothing wrong with her or her ability to breed (well, temperament I would argue, but I don't know how much that is passed on through genetics).  And yeah, never hurts to get props for the breeder!

It still leaves my mutt out of it though. I want to see if other dogs, regardless of pedigree, can land on a speaker smaller than their 4 paws together like mine can It would be FUN. Not a breeding program.

 
Well get out there and train for obedience, flyball, or agility.  Those are the big 3 companion events.  There are plenty of organizations you can compete in.
 
 

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

If it was a seperate category then that just wouldn't be one of the things taken in to consideration. I'm sure anyone judging an altered animals category would be aware they wouldn't have testicles.

Right, but monoorchids or crypto-orchids can pass on that trait to their offspring.  Showing dogs is about showing breeding stock-if your dog is passing on faulty genes then why would one show them?

But if the dog is altered, it cannot pass any bad traits along.

Honestly, I think that showing conformation would be fun, and if I ever did get a dog to do it with, I doubt I'd be interested in breeding it.

I see nothing wrong with having seperate classes for altered dogs.  It would increase the amount of people participating (which is what the AKC wants after all), and would just be fun.  With horses many breed associations have halter classes for geldings.

I did not address the focus of the 4H program, merely listed an organization that has shows that allow altered and mixed breed dogs on a regular basis.  Which I believe was the original question?

ASCA's altered division is pointed the same way as the non-altered (15 points and 3 majors), and the title is A-Ch.

I am not entirely sure how showing neutered/spayed animals for the sake of fun, not breeding, would pose any risk of passing on faulty genes. If I missed something MAJOR in biology though, I could see why you would be concerned.

Perhaps you missed the main part of my post, but as I read further I see you're talking about anything OTHER than conformation.  So the whole "showing" aspect of it is thrown out of the window here. 

Personally for a "fun" event, conformation doesn't always hit the mark.  Fun stuff is the performance events.  In which case, get an ILP on your dog and enjoy!

I did not address the focus of the 4H program, merely listed an organization that has shows that allow altered and mixed breed dogs on a regular basis. Which I believe was the original question?

 
I know that I just wanted people to realize that 4H is about the kid not the dog.
 

You can definately keep an intact dog without breeding him for fun (Most breeders wouldn't give you a SQ female on those conditions, with a few exceptions like a dog who is lovely but can't be bred due to being a carrier for something like PRA). I  am doing that ith Mal. There's no reason you HAVE to have an altered dog for that. And for all the whining about how much MORE difficult it is to keep an intact male dog? It really isn't that tough. It takes more responsibility, sure, but it's far frmo impossible. And in a competitive breed like labs, you're not going to be able to be competitive with anything but a well-bred dog, so rescues/ILP dogs competing in conformation doesn't make a lot of sense.

Secondly, if you really want to have fun with your dog, do obedience and/or rally. Spending hours grooming, training and conditioning your dog to trot around a ring for 10 minutes and then stand without moving in a pretty pose isn't really all that fun. I think a lot of dogs enjoy conformation- but I think they enjoy obedience and other performance events a lot more.