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Educated a co-worker on pet stores

Posted : 9/1/2007 8:15:58 PM

Thanks for the sticky on pet store pups. I have a co-worker who wants a

uppy, and he was lamenting the fact that the prices in the pet store were so high for the puppies. I e-mailed him several of the links, and my opinion. He was extremely thankful for the info as he didn't know about puppy mills and how pet stores get pups from them. He told me that he is also sending the links to his friends so they know as well.

DPU

Posted : 9/1/2007 8:19:09 PM

Yes, it is a very well kept secret amongs people in the know. Thank you for spreading the word. But do always keep in mind the destiny of the pet shop dog that doesn't get sold. They too deserving saving.

Indy05

Posted : 9/1/2007 8:29:05 PM

What happens to the dog in a pet store that does not get sold? I really do not know.

I also want to add that I gave him the links to rescue groups and shelters in our area.

DumDog

Posted : 9/1/2007 8:33:10 PM

i have seen in petland that they made three larger "kennels behind glass" for older pups... and they reduce the price a wee bit. the older the cheaper.....
after that, i dont know what happens to them. which is sad.... they should be showing off the locals in the pound in those windows, not pure bred puppies from a factory breeder.

fuzzy_dogs_mom

Posted : 9/1/2007 9:23:53 PM

DPU, that's a good point you brought up. Does anyone know what actually does happen to the pet store dogs that just never get sold? Are they euthanized? Or dumped on the local shelter? They must do something with them, because you rarely see dogs older than puppies in the stores.

Joyce

Talena Kalblinger

Posted : 9/1/2007 9:25:00 PM

Where do pet stores even have puppies and kittens anymore? NONE of them around me do. They just refuse to sell them. They'll direct you to a shelter or tell you where/when you can adopt one from some rescue organization showing the dogs that need homes.

Liesje

Posted : 9/1/2007 9:35:14 PM

I don't know about pet stores (there are very very few here that still "sell" puppies and kittens, most only host animals from local rescues), but there is a local GSD breeder that is basically a puppy mill and I was told by someone who went there and pretended to be interested in buying them that when the puppies are 12 weeks and not sold yet, they call the vets and make up stories so that the vets put up ads for them. I think they also try to dump them on rescues or other GSD breeders pretending they were rescued pups, not their own pups they don't have homes for b/c they breed so often. How sick is that?!

Talena Kalblinger

Posted : 9/1/2007 9:36:48 PM

Kind of makes you want to neuter the people doing it, or spay the bitch if it's a woman.

houndlove

Posted : 9/1/2007 9:38:09 PM

I know sometimes they get dumped en masse at shelters. Open door shelters often have it in their by-laws that they can not turn away dogs being surrendered, so they have to take them. It sickens me.

spiritdogs

Posted : 9/1/2007 10:04:00 PM

ORIGINAL: DPU

Yes, it is a very well kept secret amongs people in the know. Thank you for spreading the word. But do always keep in mind the destiny of the pet shop dog that doesn't get sold. They too deserving saving.

Actually, sad as it is, that's what the pet shops want - for JQP to "save" the puppies by buying them. But, every time a pup gets purchased, it perpetuates a system that keeps dogs in some godforsaken puppy mill in Kansas or Missouri living in their own feces in stacked cages.

DPU

Posted : 9/1/2007 10:17:21 PM

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Actually, sad as it is, that's what the pet shops want - for JQP to "save" the puppies by buying them. But, every time a pup gets purchased, it perpetuates a system that keeps dogs in some godforsaken puppy mill in Kansas or Missouri living in their own feces in stacked cages.

Yes, it is sad but they they have more clout and are so much bigger than the 'responsible breeder' group. I don't like saying this but there are different responsibility level amongs the Commercial Breeders...some do mimic the so called "responsible" breeder or claim to. When JQP is not given a choice to get the ideal, those Commercial Breeders should get the business. That may be a start to shut the less responsible breeders. Here is excerpt from a site I found about what happens to the puppies that don't get sold.

Answer
That's a very good question, one I had never thought of. I looked it up and found this:

"Pet shops dispose of unsold animals in, at times, unscrupulous ways. For instance, former pet store employees have reported finding animals starved or frozen to death." - Last Chance for Animals

"No law regulates how pet shops dispose of their animals, and some stores have been caught killing unsold dogs on the premises and throwing them in the trash dumpster. Unwanted animals can end up in shelters or in laboratories where they may be subjected to further abuse." - PeTA

Here are some more sites on pet store puppies:

[linkhttp://www.puppymillrescue.com/]http://www.puppymillrescue.com/[/link]

[linkhttp://www.helppuppies.com/res.html]http://www.helppuppies.com/res.html[/link]

[linkhttp://www.sniksnak.com/ac/mills.html]http://www.sniksnak.com/ac/mills.html[/link]

[linkhttp://www.thevoicefordogs.org/]http://www.thevoicefordogs.org/[/link]

Liesje

Posted : 9/1/2007 10:31:15 PM

Yes, it is sad but they they have more clout and are so much bigger than the 'responsible breeder' group. I don't like saying this but there are different responsibility level amongs the Commercial Breeders...some do mimic the so called "responsible" breeder or claim to. When JQP is not given a choice to get the ideal, those Commercial Breeders should get the business.

DPU, you might be surprised to learn that the GSD puppy mill I posted about earlier actually imports their dogs from high lines in Germany. They are all titled and have the same health tests and working titles as any fine GSD should and will have. The difference? The owner only cares about money. They have like 5-6 litters on the ground AT ALL times. One of their dogs has been finishing top three in North American and Belgian Sieger shows (shows for GSDs that are different than just going back and forth in a show ring). If you didn't know these people, you would easily be fooled. I was at first. Now I know better. They are a puppy mill and it's despicable. The local GSD rescue places over 300 dogs a year and these people are breeding bitches nonstop and then dumping puppies at vets offices. Oh you can get a nice quality dog from these people, but they are a puppy mill just the same.

DPU

Posted : 9/1/2007 10:36:41 PM

ORIGINAL: Liesje

DPU, you might be surprised to learn that the GSD puppy mill I posted about earlier actually imports their dogs from high lines in Germany. They are all titled and have the same health tests and working titles as any fine GSD should and will have. The difference? The owner only cares about money. They have like 5-6 litters on the ground AT ALL times. One of their dogs has been finishing top three in North American and Belgian Sieger shows (shows for GSDs that are different than just going back and forth in a show ring). If you didn't know these people, you would easily be fooled. I was at first. Now I know better. They are a puppy mill and it's despicable. The local GSD rescue places over 300 dogs a year and these people are breeding bitches nonstop and then dumping puppies at vets offices. Oh you can get a nice quality dog from these people, but they are a puppy mill just the same.

Isn't that what I said?

Liesje

Posted : 9/1/2007 10:41:48 PM

Isn't that what I said?

Maybe? I guess I misunderstood, especially this "When JQP is not given a choice to get the ideal". What does that mean? Commercial breeders DO offer the ideal, but that doesn't mean they deserve business. There isn't a clear dichotomy between puppy mills/bybs/commercial breeders and those who breed the "ideal". It has nothing to do with the quality of dogs being produced (though often it's an easy indicator), but the motives of the people doing the breeding.

DPU

Posted : 9/1/2007 10:48:37 PM

ORIGINAL: Liesje
Commercial breeders DO offer the ideal, but that doesn't mean they deserve business.

Why not? I am not sure if you meant the order of 'types' to be from worst to bad to possibly good, but is it not better for JQP to purchase their family pet from the "more responsible" commercial breeder since the 'ideal' is not available to them.