Alternative AKC registries - ?

jdata

By my experience, the best dogs stay with the breeder unless there is some other reason on why a 'working conforming' dog was to be released. Case in point, my JRT rescue Scout. He is the first born and literally stuck in his mother for 10 minutes while the breeders was pulling his legs. (Legs were blue) She wanted to keep him but her husband did not want another male JRT as his father is a handful. He was originally going to be a stud dog.

Personally, I could careless for 'barbie' dogs because I don't plan to do any conforming but I do prefer a pure breed dog that had the characteristics and traits beside the looks to prove it. One of my instructors told me what tricks that the barbie dogs have to endure so they conform to the breed description. Its so sad. Those breeders are just as bad as a puppy mill. Sorry for the change of topic.

Personally, I think it is very rude of you to refer to show bred dogs as "barbie dogs."  Do you really not think that these dogs have any substance beyond looks?  I have a show line bred dog, and yes, I do think he is a beautiful dog, but that is not why I have him.  Pretty is as pretty does, and he has a fantastic temperament enjoys water retrieving, etc.  Our vet *adores* him and he *adores* her and her staff right back.  How many dogs do you know that absolutely loooooove going to the vet?

Before you decide you could "careless" for a certain segment of the canine population I would encourage you to actually spend time with these dogs and see what individuals they are.   

mjp29

I just wanted everyone to know that I contacted one of the two "reputable" U.S. registries (either the AKC or UKC but I won't disclose which one publicly since it's not the real point I want to make here) and asked if I could register my dog with them also. They said sure and pointed me to an application. Per the application, I took a photo of the dog, made a photo-copy of his pedigree, and sent them $. Within less than a month I received paperwork from the *** and the dog was fully registered. In addition to certificates and all the bells and whistles and rights to breed the dog as a *** dog I also have a *** card to enter competitions. In the end, the lesson I learned was if I could send a pedagree photocopy and a self-taken photo with $ then the dog would be registered. In other words, as long as I sent in some easy things and most importantly $ then the dog was instantly registered with a "well respected" registry with full rights to breed and register the offspring and enter their competitions. Lesson learned is: Dog registries are all about the bottom line - which is send us some $. What really counts when it comes to dogs is the quality of the breeder.

You are seriously misrepresenting what happened here.

The only way that there could be truth to your statement is if you had an AKC registered dog that you registered with UKC. This is possible because UKC recognizes the validity of AKC registration. It does not work the other way. (I haven't done this myself since there are few UKC shows in my area and the competition in my breed is very small. No real point if you aren't defeating other quality dogs.)

I don't know if you accurately described the process. All I do know is that UKC will register AKC dogs. It does not go the other way though. You make it sound like any dog can be easily registered, and this is simply not the case.

The only honest statement you made is the last one. "What really counts when it comes to dogs is the quality of the breeder."

Yes, samshine you are right.  I just did both two weeks ago.  My dog is 4 months but it took forever to finalize his AKC registration b/c the sire is in Germany and not AKC registered.  Once he was AKC registered (full reg, not limited) I received my certificate a few days later.  Then I filled out the UKC app and sent it in with his pedigree and the AKC certificate.

Nikon actually competed in a UKC conformation even before he was registered in either venue.  I got a TL number for him.  Once you have the right papers, you can transfer to full registry.  If you wait too long you get charged more and more and are also charged for transfering points from a TL to a full registration number (but he was in a 3-6mo puppy class so he could not earn points anyway).

The only reason why the AKC registration is even important to me is that I DO compete in UKC events (conformation, rally, dog sport, hopefully weight pull and dock diving) and like you said you must already have an AKC registered dog.  Also, the Working Dog Association (which does Sieger shows and Schutzhund trials) requires AKC registration to certify a dog's tattoo and to be elligible for some higher level events.  I don't plan on doing AKC events with Nikon.

In terms of Mini Schnauzers (I know this is old!), I would be far more worried about health testing being done than any form of "papers". If the parents haven't had any CERF testing, then I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Eye disorders are the main debilitating disease in Schnauzers, most schnauzer disorders that don't have distinct tests, so I consider that a minimum of standard of care for any breeder.

My Zipper boy is both AKC and CKC registered (Canadian, not Continental). He was used in a breeding program, and still might be used again someday to sire a litter by the breeder I got him from (I actually think he is planned for two future litters if the matches work out). He has been CERFed as a pup, at a year of age, and every two years since. Even after he is done breeding I plan to CERF him every two years, despite the fact that it's a 2-3 hour drive out of province to do so, just so that I can keep in touch with the breeder to let her know that he has been shown to be clear for his lifetime.

Gaci was CERFed even though she was never bred. Shimmer was not CERFed, and I only made that decision because she is the end of her line and is spayed.

But from a breeding perspective, having been there for the breeding program, the kennel clubs, the showing (been there, done that kinda thing!), the health testing is what matters first and foremost to me. Before any titles, before any working ability, before any papers - if you aren't breeding the healthiest dogs you can (no dog is 100% free of all genetic disease, many diseases are polygenic and require just the right line-up, even if you haven't seen the issue before in your life - it could pop up in the next litter), you have no rights breeding. Period.

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