What is next for designer breeds?

In my quote I did say research etc.  If the research is done for any dog or crossbreed or designer then yes.  If it is only to have the dog as a trendy object then no.

ORIGINAL: faramir


well, i may be wrong about shi tzus...i read that many are not good with other dogs, and i saw shi tzus like that...but maybe i confused them with something else.

HOWEVER, not all breeds have naturally friendly and sociable temperaments...that was part of the breeding process...terriers are different from retreivers, who are different than guard and herding dogs....

perhaps all pups can be socialized with the proper work...but some with much more work than others...there are stereotypes of breeds which are GENERALLY true...purebreed dogs do not only differ in their look, and the jobs they can do...they differ in personality and temperament as well...

there may be terriers that get along with the family cat...but if you have a cat, you would be advised to get a golden retreiver, and not a terrier, etc etc

 
Yes, all breeds do have different temperaments and the Shih Tzu is a dog that is eaceful and gentle with other animals and strangers. You may have confused them with a Lhasa which is supposed to be a little independent and guardy.
 
I've seen Shih Tzus that were very dominant and their owners weren't good leaders- the dog had taken over. Those little guys with an inflated sense of self are the ones that I'd expect to not get along well with others and may be the type of Shih Tzu that you've met.

ORIGINAL: Firestorm

In my quote I did say research etc.  If the research is done for any dog or crossbreed or designer then yes.  If it is only to have the dog as a trendy object then no.

Research, or just plain common sense will tell you that if you breed X with Y, you are and not always going to get all the positives of X and Y without any of the negitives of X and Y.  As long as Ms. Trendy is willing to keep the dog if it ends up sheding or if it ends up with the hyper lab puppy personality, then great, congratulations, Ms. Trendy, you're a responsible dog owner.

Not to mention if  you already have your mind set on a breed, you're not going to go to the sights or honestly read the sites that post the negatives.

Further, most of us on this sight are the best example of responsible dog owners and most of us on this sight are firmly against designer breeding.  The people that buy desinger breeds are, at the best, inexperienced dog owners.  Responsible, experienced dog owners who care about the total wellbeing of the dog population would not buy a designer dog because there are millions of mutts that need homes as it is.

Point is: designer dogs are marketed toward people who don't really do research, who are inexperienced dog owners, and who aren't true dog lovers.  Of course that is just my opinion.

Which point would you like to stick to?  Why one should NOT buy a designer breed?
 
OK, any backyard breeder, and that is one who does not prove their stock and do all the requisit health testing for genetic conditions common to the breed, is out primarily to line their pockets.  That FIRST litter might not have been planned, but by golly, once they figure out getting that easy, tax free $$$, it continues.
 
There are literally THOUSANDS of dogs dying in shelters each and every day.  Purebreds and mutts alike.  Thanks to folks who don't accept the responsibility for their animals that they should.  So why on earth should we encourage the breeding of even more mutts?  And as cute, adorable, loveable and wonderful as they MIGHT be, they are still mutts.  Nor should we buy purebreds from backyard breeders either.
 
I will not adopt a german shepherd pup, under most circumstances, to a family with small children, forget a tiny little chi.  And yes, people CAN teach their kids to be gentle with pups, but sadly most of them don't.  Check with the shelters....ask WHY so many dogs are surrendered.  Many, many times it's because the pup is just too nippy with the little kids.  And that is perfectly normal behavior...little kids are often down on the same level as pups, they make odd noises that can be high and squeaky and sound like playing to the pup......
 
IF, God forbid, I were to have a shepherd/something mix litter, I surely wouldn't slap a fancy label on them and sell them for big bucks.  I'd find good quality homes and charge only enough to give the pup VALUE to the new family.

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ORIGINAL: diane303

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ORIGINAL: glenmar
 Check with the shelters....ask WHY so many dogs are surrendered.  Many, many times it's because the pup is just too nippy with the little kids.  .

 
after years of volunteering at our local kill shelter the number one reason for bringing a dog to the shelter was due to either the dog was not housetrained or not socialized.  both responsibility of the owner.  very sad....

So what is the difference between someone 'breeding' designer mutts and someone 'breeding' their purebred pet to gain money.  Same thing to me and I would think their are more of the latter than the former.  Both are irresponsible, uneducated, bad for dogs and looking to make a quick buck.
I actually think 'faramir' has made some good points.  If someone wants to pay a grand for a labradoodle and is happy with their choice how different is that than the person paying a grand for a lab?
As you all know its not just 'mutts' at the shelters and it seems than nearly every breed has a rescue organization,  so why is anyone buying a dog instead of rescuing one? (rhetorical)

We wanted a family pet and really wanted a lab, but the SPCA adoption center is around the corner and we would donate and stop in to see the pups and eventually came to the conclusion that it made more sense to adopt a homeless animal than feed the pockets of a breeder (of which there are too many and nearly everyone with a purebred sees an opportunity to make $$).
We wanted a large dog and one that was a lab mix. 
We wound up with a giant dog who might not be lab mix but is a fantastic pet - which honestly is what most dogs are.
Lastly those who say the buyers of designer mutts are just trying to be trendy - well so are those that have to have the "right" breed.  You know whatever is popular in your clique is what you need.
Once again I don't see the difference - and I cannot imagine someone convincing me otherwise.

When it comes to "designer dogs", I don't have a problem with those who are responsibly trying to create a new breed. When I say "responsibly", I mean using the best stock they can get, utilizing health testing, working with other like-minded folks who together can come up with a breed standard and work towards creating that breed. It also means being very objective, spay/neuter those who don't fit that ideal, being completely HONEST about traits that have shown up and taking responsibility for what they bring into this world. Can it be done? Sure it can. The Black Russian Terrier is a "new" breed. Now does this mean that the majority of these "designer breeds" will become recognized breeds? Absolutely not. Look at the Cockapoo. It's been around since the 1950's-1960's and it's not remotely close to becoming a recognized breed. Then again, there isn't a lot of incentive for folks to create a new breed. I mean, if people are willing to shell out $3000 for an F1 cross from poor looking parents who come from a mediocre background and have no health testing done, why on earth would some of these breeders strive to create for better dogs or to create a new breed?
 
With all that said, I feel if you don't give two Sugar Honey Ice Teas about pedigrees, registration, background, breed standards, health testing, conformation, titles and all that other jazz that goes into responsible breeding then save your money and save a life at your local shelter and rescue. There's no sense in giving money, and more reason to irresponsibly breed, to an irresponsible breeder when you can virtually get the same thing at the shelter.

I can say that my Rott and Shih Tzu were "rescued" of sorts.  Their previous owners were unable to keep them and I was able to provide them with a home.  Both dogs were purebreds.  Although the Rott didn't have papers and Harley does.  I don't give a hoot about the papers.  Anyways I feel good that I have been able to give two dogs a home. 

ORIGINAL: Firestorm
Anyways I feel good that I have been able to give two dogs a home. 

i agree 100% ...

ORIGINAL: kpwlee
So what is the difference between someone 'breeding' designer mutts and someone 'breeding' their purebred pet to gain money.

there is no difference ... they are not breeding for the betterment of the breed.  those purebreds should not be bred.  purebred or registered a breeder should be breeding to the breed standard. 

a chihuahua is a really good breed to look at for this.  the standard calls for an apple shaped head.  yet how many ads do you see that advertise a deer head.  these dogs should not be bred and should be spayed or nuetered before selling to insure not using them as breeding stock.  that is not the case and there are many of the deer heads bred and sold every day. 

when a breed takes to instant popularity, think of when disney's 101 dalmations came out.  people everywhere were looking to buy a dalmation.  there were owners who suddenly seen $$$ signs and were breeding dogs with bad tempers, bad confirmation and with no checks on hips or other genentic defaults.  when the the pups were found to be high energy in need of socialization skills and training those pups were quickly discarded and shelters over run.

a good breeder is just that.  dogs that come with health guarantees, the willingness to take back or help place a pup they sold that can no longer remain in the home of the original purchaser.  they are not breeding their bitch every heat cycle, they are breeding to the breed standard.  do not sell to brokers or pet stores.  a responsible breeder never seems to have an accidental breeding...

there are not enough dog owners to own every dog that is born or abandoned now.  i remember as a kid... you couldn't hardly give a female away due to the heats, the chance of puppies without spaying and the cost of the spay.  now it has turned around and everyone wants a female to help them line their pockets.  it is mr and mrs. public helping them do this by paying exhorbrant prices for "teacup" chihuahua  the micro yorkie or the latest doodle trend. ~~~sighs~~~