yorkshire terrier

ORIGINAL: Rudys Mom
"Really doesn't like to get his feet wet in the wet morning grass and then wants back in"

I just have to laugh at this bc Sassy's the same way!  I think it's bc they're so little and maybe they don't like getting their feet or their tummys wet.  [8D]

Your Rudy sounds too cute!   If you have any further questions, let me know.  I'll try to check the forum more often.  []

Oh dear, here we go again.
 
First off, the word NO means absolutely nothing to a pup and does not tell him what you want him to do.  When I'm training pups, and I'm normally training whole litters full of them, I take them out the second they wake up, after play, after eating, drinking and about every hour to boot.  When we go outside I tell them "lets go OUTSIDE and go POTTY" once out, lets go POTTY, then praise like crazy for actually doing it....GOOOOOOOOOD potty!!!  Now when pups aren't crated or in the ex pen, I'm watching them like a hawk and if someone starts to squat, it's "eh eh, we go OUTSIDE to go POTTY", but said very gently, scoop the pup up in a towel (to keep me dry) and run him/her right outside and repeat "go potty OUTSIDE"....
 
If I miss a clue and actually FIND a puddle, I say nothing.  All I really *could* say is "badddd mommy" and pushing a nose towards it??? Why?  And what on earth is rubbing his nose in the GRASS gonna do except put grass stains on his nose??  A penny can is gonna serve to scare the PEE out of this pup, and a rolled up paper??  Is this STILL 2006 or did we warp back to the 1950's?
 
I'm not trying to be unkind, but gracious!  There are kinder and gentler and much more EFFECTIVE ways to do things these days.

Glenda, you took the words right out of my mouth.I jyust have to say "rub his nose in the grass?"C'mon! WTH!!

ORIGINAL: glenmar

First off, the word NO means absolutely nothing to a pup and does not tell him what you want him to do. 

wow. i didn't know i needed to defend myself on a dog forum!  Dogs learn what "no" means quickly! I think that was the first word my puppy learned!  Plus, if you even read whay Rudy's mom wrote, her dog knows "no"!

When I'm training pups, and I'm normally training whole litters full of them, I take them out the second they wake up, after play, after eating, drinking and about every hour to boot.  When we go outside I tell them "lets go OUTSIDE and go POTTY" once out, lets go POTTY, then praise like crazy for actually doing it....GOOOOOOOOOD potty!!!  Now when pups aren't crated or in the ex pen, I'm watching them like a hawk and if someone starts to squat, it's "eh eh, we go OUTSIDE to go POTTY", but said very gently, scoop the pup up in a towel (to keep me dry) and run him/her right outside and repeat "go potty OUTSIDE"....

I wish I could have placed this in your words. This is eloquently put! I totally agree!  This IS how you potty train!  You must watch them and must take them straight outside when they do make a mess and freak out praising them "like crazy" when they actually do go potty outside!  I don't know where I got misconstrued, but I couldn't agree with you more!

If I miss a clue and actually FIND a puddle, I say nothing.  All I really *could* say is "badddd mommy" and pushing a nose towards it??? Why?  And what on earth is rubbing his nose in the GRASS gonna do except put grass stains on his nose??  A penny can is gonna serve to scare the PEE out of this pup, and a rolled up paper?? 

Why do nothing?!? the puppy must learn they did something bad!?!  Pushing a dog's nose towards what he/she did wrong shows them what they did wrong!  you have to show them they did something bad. If there is a better way, please enlighten me.  I don't know how else to show them where is "good" and where is "bad".

Sorry I said rub is nose IN the grass....I MEANT   towards the grass....then it shows the puppy where you want it to go.    JUST AN IDEA---NOT TELLING HER THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.

I've never seen a penny can used---ive just heard from a trainer actually that it worked for her! ---it was just an idea!  Same with the rolled up piece of paper.  It's JUST an idea.  There's also the squirt bottle method and other ways to show them "bad" too!

I can remember as a kid that when we were house training our maltese my dad [who got scolded by the rest of the family so bad we never let it down, even to this day 25 yrs later] rubbed our dog's nose in the "mess", picked him up by the ears, and spanked him so hard he flew a couple feet!------YES, I TOTALLY AGREE THIS IS ABUSE!!! But i can assure you, after that day, that dog never once peed/pooped in the house again.  that was his last "mess" til he was 16, blind/deaf/losing bladder and bowels/etc.

Is this STILL 2006 or did we warp back to the 1950's?

I used the rolled up piece of paper method for punishment on my dogs.   [I don't abuse my dogs!---I JUST WANTED THE NOISE] and with crate training, none of them took longer than 2 months to train!  (aka: less than 4 months old)

It looks like you have big dogs. (not sure!, but thats whats in your pic.) Have you ever dealt with a small dog?  Have you ever had to get on your hands and knees to try to smell and place your hand on the carpet to find what might be a nickel-size peepee mark bc your dog looks guilty and the patch of hair on their "belly area" shows they were guilty?  [NOTE--bc i have to defend everthing i say---> yes, dogs do sometimes leak around their "belly area"---I'm talking about when the leaking was an obvious potty leak (still dripping)---sassy was less then 1lb when I got her--so, yes, she peepeed about the size of a nickel]   It's hard to potty train one of them! I can remember taking her out before bedtime and 30+ minutes later praying to God [literally!] to make her go potty so I could get some rest that night!

Every single person I came in contact with after i got my yorkie, was "good luck, you'll never potty train her"  bc they all had yorkies and couldnt train them.  I was determined to get her potty trained. I never let one accident slide.  and I swear thats why she was potty trained so quickly.

As far as the whole "what year is this"?  Everybody has their own ideas on how to raise kids/dogs/training in general.  Yes, there are sooooo many different methods to try.  I personally believe the whole "spare the rod, spoil the child"  which ISN'T accepted in 2006. (a whole other topic altogether)  However, we are talking about dog training which is totally different than child training.  I think hitting dogs is cruel and can make them develop unwanted aggressive behavior.  so--AGAIN, I have never abused my dog nor hit her--with anything including the "rolled up piece of paper"!]   Yes, there are kinder and gentler ways.  The much more effective ways---if you have them---tell Rudy's mom.  don't just criticize me!  She wants ideas---give her some!

All i was doing was giving her some ideas.  Remember how it was when you were desperately tired of cleaning up crap (literally!)  help her!

I firmly maintain that even if the pup gets that NO means stop what you are doing, it does NOT tell the pup what you want it to do. 
 
Why do nothing?!? the puppy must learn they did something bad!?!  Pushing a dog's nose towards what he/she did wrong shows them what they did wrong!  you have to show them they did something bad. If there is a better way, please enlighten me.  I don't know how else to show them where is "good" and where is "bad".

But the pup DIDN'T do something bad.  The pup had to pee, and peed.  It is NOT the pups fault that I wasn't watching closely enough. It's mine.  Shoving a dogs nose towards where HE did wrong??  But, since it's not the pups fault that he made a mistake, but MINE, my thinking is that it's MY face that needs shoving towards the puddle, not HIS.  And while I WANT him to potty outside, it's not wrong or bad to relieve himself when the urge strikes...that's a normal bodily function until he is TAUGHT to wait, to tell me or whatever.  And until he can do that, it's MY JOB to watch him.
 
I don't care if you're rubbing the nose in the grass or towards the grass. He's just peed inside and this tells him nothing except that he's going get his head shoved towards the grass when you do get up and take him out.
 
Penny can, newspaper, spray bottle....NONE of these are needed unless you are using them on yourself.  The pup is NOT doing anything wrong or bad.  YOU are doing something wrong or bad by not being proactive enough in getting the pup outside or where ever it is that you want him to pee.
 
What your dad did should have been criminal.  I've trained many, many pups over the years without the use of violence, without the newspaper noise to scare them and when I housetrain, they are reliably housetrained.  Forever.  Even way back when when the "only" way to train a pup was by rubbing the nose in the mess and hitting with a rolled up newspaper, I never could bring myself to do that.  And again, I've always had very reliably trained pups.
 
There is NO reason to use any of those "tools" to train a pup....just always be on your toes and put them in a position to succeed and never in a position to fail.
 
Yes, I do have big dogs, but yes, I've had tiny dogs during my lifetime.  And yep, I've had to crawl around looking for the tiny pee spot.  But, regardless of the size of the pup, the housetraining method remains the same.  I've already posted that so how is it that I am NOT helping the OP?
 
And yes, I certainly do remember being literally SICK to death of cleaning up crap.  When you foster litters there are days that it feels like your entire LIFE is about crap.  But that doesn't alter my opinion on how to best housetrain.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Oh dear, here we go again.

First off, the word NO means absolutely nothing to a pup and does not tell him what you want him to do.  When I'm training pups, and I'm normally training whole litters full of them, I take them out the second they wake up, after play, after eating, drinking and about every hour to boot.  When we go outside I tell them "lets go OUTSIDE and go POTTY" once out, lets go POTTY, then praise like crazy for actually doing it....GOOOOOOOOOD potty!!!  Now when pups aren't crated or in the ex pen, I'm watching them like a hawk and if someone starts to squat, it's "eh eh, we go OUTSIDE to go POTTY", but said very gently, scoop the pup up in a towel (to keep me dry) and run him/her right outside and repeat "go potty OUTSIDE"....

If I miss a clue and actually FIND a puddle, I say nothing.  All I really *could* say is "badddd mommy" and pushing a nose towards it??? Why?  And what on earth is rubbing his nose in the GRASS gonna do except put grass stains on his nose??  A penny can is gonna serve to scare the PEE out of this pup, and a rolled up paper??  Is this STILL 2006 or did we warp back to the 1950's?

I'm not trying to be unkind, but gracious!  There are kinder and gentler and much more EFFECTIVE ways to do things these days.

 
While I agree that there are better ways of doing things, LOTS, I mean LOTS of people still believe that that is how you potty train a dog.  That's what I was told to do by most people and even did it at first.  Then a friend of mine said that was not right, and I looked it up, and found a better way of doing things

And aren't you glad that there were people to SHARE the kinder and gentler ways?[]

Beckly:  "Thank You" for taking the time to give me some input on my housetraining question.  I've been on vacation and just now got to read your response/responses. I was the only one on vacation, so Rudy was very well taken care of at home by my husband and my older son and daughter.  I'm sorry you had to defend your answers to me. I know that of the smaller dogs, Yorkies tend to me harder to housetrain.  It also says that in my "Yorkshier Terriers for Dummies" book, that's why I wanted to ask another Yorkie owner for their imput. []     Your Sassy looks like such a sweet girl. I am not that computer literate, so once I figure out how to post a picture of Rudy, I will.  Again, "Thanks" for your reply to my questions, every bit of information helps!

I have a 3 year old yorkie and a 5 year old maltese. I would be happy to share some insight on the breed.

Puddlejumper:   Thanks for also being willing to offer some insight on Yorkies.  Quick question for you - My Rudy is almost 5 months old now and weighs close to 8 lbs.  Where we got him, they said he was a "big boy".  Do you have any idea how much he will probably weigh when he's full grown?  I keep forgetting to ask the vet that question and the vet never said he's overweight.  Your Yorkie and Maltese, are they boys or girls and their names?  
Thanks for your help.
Rudys Mom in PA.

I also have had a yorkie in the past. She lived to be 13 years old before she went over the rainbow bridge.
 
A few things we learned while raising her: She ws the easiest dog I have ever housebroken. Very few mistakes but I was vigilant about taking her out often.
 
Her favorite toy was a racquet ball.
 
She weighed about 7 pounds. Because she was so small, we were very cautious about her shots etc. This was probably 20 years ago but at that time the vet would not immunize her every year. I think if I had a little one now, I would be tempted to get the titers done...Heck, I am doing that and my current dogs are 20 and 50 pounds[].  WE did have a problem with her and poisoning. She chewed on a black walnut outdoors. We thought nothing of it at the time but later found out, in the vets office, that black walnuts are poisonous. A larger dog would not have been affected by the amount of tocxic material in one walnut but for a tiny dog, it was almost lethal.
 
good luck with your baby. Teh only reason we did not replace our yorkie with another one was that it ripped my heart out when we lost her. Maybe my next one???

Guinnsmom/Patty:   Thanks for the info.  My Yorkie wants to eat everything he sees out in the yard. We have to open his mouth and get whatever he has in there out, including globs of newly mowed grass.  I think that's why we haven't tried to take him a walk yet, I'm afraid he will try and eat all the rocks/stuff on the street. Were still working on his housetraining, some days are better than others. 
 
 What kind of dogs do you have now?  Thanks again for the info.
Rudys Mom in PA

Rudy's mom, There is a formula for calculating an adult weight for yorkies and malts. It's not fool proof but it's taking the pups weight at 12 weeks x 2 and add a pound. Remember..it's not fool
proof! You also need to figure in genetics []. My maltese is about 7 lbs and is named Bentley, he's almost 5 years old. My yorkie is 3 years old and named Mia. I don't think either are typical of their breed. My maltese seems to be quite the yapper and is a little more reserved and just a tad territorial. Mia is very quite and calm for a yorkie. Both are very loving and devoted little lap dogs.
I'll try and figure out how to post a picture. []
(example ~ 2 lbs at 12 weeks x 2 = 4 lbs + 1 = 5 lbs)
 
 

ORIGINAL: Rudys Mom

Puddlejumper:   Thanks for also being willing to offer some insight on Yorkies.  Quick question for you - My Rudy is almost 5 months old now and weighs close to 8 lbs.  Where we got him, they said he was a "big boy".  Do you have any idea how much he will probably weigh when he's full grown?  I keep forgetting to ask the vet that question and the vet never said he's overweight.  Your Yorkie and Maltese, are they boys or girls and their names?  
Thanks for your help.
Rudys Mom in PA.

testing how to post a picture
 

Let's see. After we lost our yorkie, we had Pipette -( she came to us at 8 months already named) a Norfolk Terrier. Then we added a second dog - Marley a beagle. She is going to be 6 this fall. When the Norfolk Terrier died, we got an Entlebucher Sennenhund named Guinness. She is 2 years old.
 
Entlebucher's are in the swiss mountain dog family. Teh most common one is the Berese Mountain dog. Our girl has the same markings as a berner only has short hair and weighs less[]