Welcoming "Friday"

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    Welcoming "Friday"

     Hey all - it's been so long since I've been on the boards! I've been busy with tons of shelter work! And in the midst of it all, aquired a new family member!

    On my way home early one morning, (or late at night, depends on how you look at at) around 3:30 I passed a stray sitting out infront of a bar - just sitting, like it was waiting...

    So I debated real quick and decided "if it comes I'll take it, if it runs I'm going home." So I pulled over, opened my door and called "HERE PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY!" And here it came, romping across the street! super friendly, started giving my hand kisses when I reached out to pet it.

    So after some work I got the dog in the car, and after some even MORE work I got it in the house.

    Sitting in the middle of the living room, in good light I finally got to see what I had brought home - a pure bred wimerainer!
    I did the responsible thing scanned her, and placed found ads - for 3 weeks, she was never claimed! I knew I wanted to keep her. She got along with Max, and attempts to play with the cats. Problem is, since she is only about a yr old (if that) shes got tons and tons of energy!

    Which is good for Max - it gets him off his big butt [&]

    I'm having some trouble training her, I'm not big on clicker training b/c I don't always have the clicker and treats in hand. I need to teach her to not jump. I've done everything I can think of - walking into her, steping on her back feet, palming her in the nose, even went as far as to make evey contact and show my teeth and growl at her. Shes oblivious to all of it.

    When it was Max I was traingin he was easy, he cought onto everything real quick. 

    So I'm getting her into flyball - she needs am outlet and she did well at our first practice.

    Does anyone have any traing ideas??? Thanks, and I'll post pictures soon Big Smile

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    WOW, and good on you, I think you need to pm Sera_J?

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    I never had any success using food or toys to train Nikon to settle/not bark/not jump.  The presence of those rewards only makes him MORE excited, lol.  Basically, we used ourselves as the reward, since he wanted to jump on us.  I crate him while I'm out, so when I come home, I wait until he is quite and lying down before opening his crate.  It took a few months, but now when I get home from work he is the BEST behaved of the three (Kenya is loose in the house and she barks but backs off, Coke sometimes barks, but I make my way downstairs at my own pace and find Nikon still lying down in his crate, silent). 

    Another thing is back-tying the dog to something sturdy, then when you (or a new person) approaches if she starts wiggling, say "uh oh", turn away, and stay out of reach with your back turned for 10 seconds before trying again.  If she bounces, then you move out of range.  If she stays put, you move closer and eventually pet and praise her.

    What also helped with Nikon was teaching a default behavior and reinforcing it a LOT.  His is a down.  If he sees a new toy or treat come out, the down is the first thing he will try, and even though he is now a year old and has calmed down a bit, I still reinforce it from time to time.

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     Dont know if Weims' are anything like Vizslas but Joker was a very jumpy pup. Was told and did research that V's were a jumpy breed and would need to be taught that it wasnt appropriate. He will still jump on people when very excited if allowed.

    Liesje

    What also helped with Nikon was teaching a default behavior and reinforcing it a LOT.  His is a down.  If he sees a new toy or treat come out, the down is the first thing he will try, and even though he is now a year old and has calmed down a bit, I still reinforce it from time to time.



    I did this with Joker. His is a sit. If he see's something that might be for him he will come up to me and plant his butt on the ground. He gets excited to go out and was very jumpy at the door. So in order for him to go out he has to sit away from the door and wait till I tell him "ok," also.
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    Liesje
    What also helped with Nikon was teaching a default behavior and reinforcing it a LOT.  His is a down.  If he sees a new toy or treat come out, the down is the first thing he will try, and even though he is now a year old and has calmed down a bit, I still reinforce it from time to time.

     

    This is what I did with Belle, my wild thing.  She was a jumper, nipping at hands and all sorts of attention seeking behavior.  I taught her that all good things come when you SIT.   I didn't talk much to her because it sent her into outer space.  NILIF is your friend with dogs like this and Friday will get it, if you are consistent and patient.  Belle has come a long way in a year from a dog I thought I would have to kill or be killed at first. lol  Weim's are very smart dogs and I have no doubt that if you can get through the first few months, you will see a huge improvement.

    Can't wait to see pic's and good on you for taking her into your home!

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     I do have a crate I was putting her in at night, and when I was gone. But she seems very afraid of it. I do with her as I did with Max.

    Treat her before she goes in, then treat and praise when shes in the crate. But if I go anywhere near the crate she backs off and runs for safety, so I have to carrier her to the crate and physcially PUT her in. I like the idea of only letting her own when shes calm. I think I'll go back to crating Smile

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     I have a dvd called crate games, which I think might help. Actually, some of it can be done not in a crate, but on a mat or something, which might also help.

    Also, while my dog is a tiny cavalier, and he actually barks, this might be helpful. I tried putting the barking on command, and also giving him a quiet command. I rarely give the command to bark, and the command to shut up is effective temporarily only. So, I am now trying a combination of giving an alternative cue, though not necessarily something incompatible. Generally, I have him give a paw, since he has a high likelihood of being correct, or have him touch my fist with his nose, and I reinforce those instead. I also reinforce periods when he is quiet, and ignore the barking. Not just stand there and ignore, but walk away or turn my back to him. This seems to be working pretty well so far.

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    Golden Tails

     I do have a crate I was putting her in at night, and when I was gone. But she seems very afraid of it. I do with her as I did with Max.

    Treat her before she goes in, then treat and praise when shes in the crate. But if I go anywhere near the crate she backs off and runs for safety, so I have to carrier her to the crate and physcially PUT her in. I like the idea of only letting her own when shes calm. I think I'll go back to crating Smile

     

     If this were my dog I would tether the dog and use the tactic Liesje decribed for back-tying.  I would not insist on calmness before releasing from the crate in this scenario, because I think it would be just too aversive, bordering on downright cruel.

    Why is she crated when you are out - is it because she is destructive, or not-housetrained?

    Remember that a reward is something the dog wants.

    With regard to the jumping - everything that you described is attention to the dog, and since attention is what she wants you are accidentally REWARDING her jumping. 

    Give her NO attention while she is in this hyped up state.  Not even eye contact or words.  Just sweep PAST her and go and do something else.  Wait until she is calm before you interact, and keep your voice and actions steady and calm at first, to make things easy for her. 

    Baby gates/dog gates are your friend.  They will help to confine her (since she hates the crate so much) and they will also mean you can always go somewhere where she can't reach you, without leaving her completely unsupervised.

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    Chuffy

    Golden Tails

     I do have a crate I was putting her in at night, and when I was gone. But she seems very afraid of it. I do with her as I did with Max.

    Treat her before she goes in, then treat and praise when shes in the crate. But if I go anywhere near the crate she backs off and runs for safety, so I have to carrier her to the crate and physcially PUT her in. I like the idea of only letting her own when shes calm. I think I'll go back to crating Smile

     

     If this were my dog I would tether the dog and use the tactic Liesje decribed for back-tying.  I would not insist on calmness before releasing from the crate in this scenario, because I think it would be just too aversive, bordering on downright cruel.

    Why is she crated when you are out - is it because she is destructive, or not-housetrained?

    Remember that a reward is something the dog wants.

    With regard to the jumping - everything that you described is attention to the dog, and since attention is what she wants you are accidentally REWARDING her jumping. 

    Give her NO attention while she is in this hyped up state.  Not even eye contact or words.  Just sweep PAST her and go and do something else.  Wait until she is calm before you interact, and keep your voice and actions steady and calm at first, to make things easy for her. 

    Baby gates/dog gates are your friend.  They will help to confine her (since she hates the crate so much) and they will also mean you can always go somewhere where she can't reach you, without leaving her completely unsupervised.

     


    Give her NO attention while she is in this hyped up state.  Not even eye contact or words.  Just sweep PAST her and go and do something else.  Wait until she is calm before you interact, and keep your voice and actions steady and calm at first, to make things easy for her.

    She is actually calming down, I've started putting my hand down when she jumps, telling her "stay down" and if she jumps she "runs into" my hand, this seems to be working as I can't stand raising a hand at an animal it's a nice alternative.


    Baby gates/dog gates are your friend.  They will help to confine her (since she hates the crate so much) and they will also mean you can always go somewhere where she can't reach you, without leaving her completely unsupervised.

    These are no help, she jumps them.

     

    Here are a few pictures I promised... 

       

     Friday , one of the rare moments that she actually stopped             Resting after fetch
    for a few seconds!

       

    Max and Friday - getting ready for bed          Can we PLEASE have the ball??

     

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    Friday, is gorgeous!  You should post these in the photo thread for all to see! 

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    Ohhhhh Friday - you're one gorgeous girl !!

     

    Deb W.