Cesar dog undergoes *canine disarming*

I don't have a problem with the procedure itself, I just don't see the point.  To me that would be like having Nikon's paw cut off b/c he digs or having Kenya's paw cut off b/c she chews it when anxious.  Dogs can walk, run, and play on three legs you know. 

That, and as I said before, filing the canines is pointless when you consider why dogs bite and how they actually bite with their mouth.  If I had a dog that bit humans I would in no way feel any safer or more relieved having canines filed or even removed.  There are very many Schutzhund and police dogs that have damaged or missing canines either from training or from being kenneled and chewing on the bars or fence which grinds off the canines.  Personally I think a muzzle would be safer but is also a bandaid.

I just saw the entire episode on my DVD. Cesar didnt do something different that we have not seen on other episodes, a couple leash corrections when he is turning aggressive, "claiming the door" so he does not bite the guests, etc.

I looked at the owners way to follow up the instructions while Cesar was there, timing was off and an attitude of "i'm not really sure about this".

Some of their body blocks were really awkward, even Cesar pointed out that the guy wanted to body block like if he was Superman trying to stop a bullet. Of course for Cesar was very natural and the dog responded almost right away.

I came into the conclusion that these techniques were not made for them, most likely a 3rd grade bully would be able to step all over them if he wanted to. Non confrontational methods would be more suitable for them.

To me, the method is irrelevant.  Maybe I am being overly harsh without seeing the episode, but the owners sound ignorant and lazy, so likely nothing would have worked.  What Lies said..... if this dog was really gonna hurt someone, filing his canines hasn't stopped that happening.  What vet would have carried out this procedure?!  It's just so.... stupid!

 Probably the same vets that tell me my dog is going to weigh 120lbs and should eat Science Diet.  Vets /=/ behaviorists or nutritionists!

Liesje

Probably the same vets that tell me my dog is going to weigh 120lbs and should eat Science Diet.  Vets /=/ behaviorists or nutritionists!

That's a big leap and not fair to many Vets. 

 Does anyone know the number of pounds per square inch inflicted when a dog clamps down on a human arm, even with filed teeth???  One would think that being ripped or being crushed by an aggressive dog would be similarly distasteful.

JackieG

Liesje

Probably the same vets that tell me my dog is going to weigh 120lbs and should eat Science Diet.  Vets /=/ behaviorists or nutritionists!

That's a big leap and not fair to many Vets. 

Dunno about fair or not, but it is true of my vets.  However I don't care b/c I don't expect them to be nutritionists or know the specifics about every breed.  I go to them for medical diagnosis and treatment, and trust what they say about medical issues.  If I didn't, I'd go somewhere else, but I don't expect to find a vet that knows all the ins and outs of my breed, is schooled in nutrition, is an expert in veterinary radiology, and is a good vet too boot.

Same sort of things happen to me all the time, people assume that because I work on computers in IT, I know how to configure their Blackberry, setup their DishTV, use their video camera, etc.  So in a way it's kinda unfair to assume that I'm an expert in every sort of technology because I am an expert in one.

spiritdogs

 Does anyone know the number of pounds per square inch inflicted when a dog clamps down on a human arm, even with filed teeth???  One would think that being ripped or being crushed by an aggressive dog would be similarly distasteful.

Exactly, this is the point I was trying to make earlier.  A frontal or canine bit is actually not what is considerd a "crushing" bite with a "full grip".  Even with canines filed I'm sure a dog can do severe damage by ripping and tearing, but a *real* bite is when the dog gets a mouthful of you in his back molars which he can do even with the canines removed.

JackieG

Liesje

Probably the same vets that tell me my dog is going to weigh 120lbs and should eat Science Diet.  Vets /=/ behaviorists or nutritionists!

That's a big leap and not fair to many Vets. 

 

Broadly speaking it's not particularly unfair.  That's WHY there is a seperate market for, trainers, behaviourists, veterinary behaviourists and canine nutritionists.

 Exactly.  I'm not meaning to slam vets.  I would not go to a chiropracter to have a root canal, you know?

Liesje

I'm not meaning to slam vets. 

But that's exactly what you are doing when you make such broad statements comparing dog food recommendations to the procedure carried out on the dog in the article.  Of course I know that if you have a behavior problem you go to a behavior specialist but to imply that all Vets are ignorant of behavior and nutrition is not fair, IMO.  Thanks for implying that I don't understand the need for specialists in dog care and training or is that not fair?

I was not making any statements about you, I was refering to Chuffy's comment about what vet would do this procedure.  I'm sorry if I've offended you but I was not making any comments having anything to do with you.  I have never said all vets are ignorant about anything.  Again, I am not slamming you or vets or anyone but the owners of this dog and their vet.  I simply think it's wrong to take a dog with a behavioral problem like this to a vet and expect a procedure like this to actually help the dog's behavior.  When I go to my vet with a behavior issue that does involve medicinal treatments, they always want to know what I have done with the behaviorist and what the behaviorist has recommended.  I'm not going to change vets because my vet refers me to a behaviorist for behavioral issues.  I would change vets if my vet recommended such outrageous procedures to treat behavioral issues.  Not ALL vets are ignorant about behavior and nutrition but all of the ones I have used and know will be the first to admit that there are more qualified persons to ask about behavior and nutrition than themselves.

 I don't think it's slamming vets to say they are not the best people to speak to about nutrition or behaviour in many - if not most - cases.  It's just a plain fact.  Cripes, they must have a pretty hard time keeping up with the CPD in their OWN profession, never mind all the adjacent ones!  It's not slamming my doctor when I say he won't be able to help me much with my wisdom teeth, I had better go to my dentist instead.  It's just not my doctor's area of expertise, that's all.

Liesje

I simply think it's wrong to take a dog with a behavioral problem like this to a vet and expect a procedure like this to actually help the dog's behavior. 

And as I posted, I agree with you.