jones
Posted : 1/28/2007 12:31:13 PM
Jones, you never stated your thoughts and if you have in experience in handling a situation.
I stated my thoughts about anthropomorphizing (by agreeing w McConnell mainly) but not about the empathy/sympathy issue. I guess, to be honest, that's because I find the latter a little less intellectually engaging. But I'll go for it now....
I've heard all this business about "coddling" and comfort being a reinforcer for fear... this was not an idea invented by a TV star and I think it's pretty widely embraced in the dog world. But I have had my doubts about it for some time. Comforting a dog that's in pain, with all due respect to corvus, I think should be viewed as a "one off" and not really in the weird gray area where so-called coddling is questionable. Almost anyone would comfort an injured dog, and I think getting into the particulars of "how comforting" one is does not really have a lot of bearing on the overall issue of whether empathy or sympathy helps or hurts dogs... after all, most dogs don't get hurt every day or several times a week even. But dogs can have SA every day, or be insecure around other dogs at the dog park several times a week.
Now, I'm going to incriminate myself as a stupid puppy owner but bear in mind I was a newbie when I got Russell. We used to bring him to the dog park when he was a young lad and there were plenty of rowdy dogs there. Everything I had read *to that point* had drilled it into my brain that I was never to comfort and coddle my puppy/dog, never to protect him physically from things I knew weren't really dangerous, and never to soothe him when he was afraid. So I very strictly adhered to that code and stood there letting rowdy dogs roughhouse with my little cocker spaniel puppy, and as long as I was sure they were only playing, I never did anything. I didn't pet him when he hid between my legs, in fact I stepped to the side so I wouldn't be "coddling" him. Am I an uncaring robot? Not at all, I felt like a jerk sometimes but believed I was doing the right thing - I empathized but refused to sympathize. I didn't want to reinforce his fear. I was very determined to make him comfortable with other dogs since I knew he would be an 'only' for a good couple of years at least. However, this method did not work. He was easily overwhelmed by these rowdy dogs, and he continued to be so. I never reinforced his fear, and yet he continued to be nervous and afraid around groups of strange dogs. In fact I think it became worse since I was just leaving him hanging. By the time some common sense overrode my 'reading' and I decided to step in and be a comfort to him in such times, the behavior pattern was already set. He
will come to me and let me protect him now, but the emotions of nervousness and fear are still there.
So, that's my personal anecdote. Speaking more generally, anytime there is a hard and fast "rule" in dog training or so-called dog psychology, I try to ask "why?" - why do we have that rule.? Where does it come from? I think sometimes it comes from superimposing some general principle on a specific situation and doesn't always work. In the case of the 'law of coddling,' I suspect the origin is... when humans speak in a sweet, positive tone of voice, this is viewed by the dog as praise. When praise comes after a behavior, it is a reinforcer. Therefore, when praise comes during an emotion, it is also a reinforcer. Seems to follow a nice straight logical line, but is it
true? I am not at all sure. How we would go about finding out for sure, I don't know. But I have a great deal of doubt.
Anthropomorphizing is easy to understand in terms of inanimate object but when it comes to living organizim with higher brain capacities, I need clarity when discussing. In terms of the dog, what are the emotions and feelings that both human and dogs have in common? Are there feelings that are unique to the dog and not human and vice versa. Are any of those feelings instinctual and have no cognitive purpose other than to satify a need? Can a line be drawn that clearly tell us we are anthropomorphizing?
The degree that people, and even science, anthropomorphize animals seems to be on a sliding scale. The most extreme viewpoint, and some scientists (and perhaps some laypeople) do believe it, is that the dog is just a kind of animated stimuli-response machine. There is no "fear," there is only a self-preservation instinct. The notion of "fear" in an animal would be a totally anthropomorphic and false concept, based on our applying the wholly human emotion of fear to an animal that is just blankly following its flight-or-fight instinct to survive. Once you leave that position, you're into a whole vast middle area of what emotions or thoughts dogs may *actually* have that are not just human interpretations of observable behavior. That's why I think McConnell makes such an astute point about
how we anthropomorphize dogs... it seems culturally acceptable to give them negative "human" emotions but not positive ones, but who decided that and why?