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Taking Glenda's advice. Deleted.

I think that the bottom line is that a lot of us on this forum are very well aware of what the typical NILF program guidlines are and we are all in occordance on the wonderful reliability of it. However most of us fudge or give in on some part of a trainign technique we use and it really depends on our individual dogs, how they reacct, and the dogs knoweldge of what is expected of them.
I personally have slacked on the "walking out fo the door first" only because Rory dosnt charge ahead of me, all I have to do to re-enstate this beahvior is hold up my hand in a stop sign gesture and she knows to wait behind me. I implement it once a day to keep her refreshed.
In addition as far as the "dog walking ahead" issue to some extent you have to think this is their walk you are on, as long as they know their manners why not let them enjoy the smells out there IF your dog can be called into a quick unfaltering heel at any point you ask it and also if they arnt charging ahead at full speed dragging you behind them.
Its the same as......the kids know they arnt supposed to eat junk before dinner but if grandam just brought over some freshly baked hot cookies you may be leniant for this occasion if your kids typically control themselves and are well behaved!

espencer, does your dog come every time you call? Let's you and me have an off leash recall contest [sm=eek.gif]  I won't even use the older dogs, I'll use the puppy. 

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

espencer, does your dog come every time you call? Let's you and me have an off leash recall contest [sm=eek.gif]  I won't even use the older dogs, I'll use the puppy. 

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ORIGINAL: espencer

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy

How about you and your dog?  You do have a dog, yes?

Yes i do, thanks for asking []

Well if you guys have a perfect dog even when they walk out first congrats,  somebody gave the advice to go out first and you guys treated that advice like a life or situation, if is a pain for you to do it then dont, maybe is not a pain for someone else, whats the worst that can happen? 

I don't think you have a dog espence.  I really really don't.

You've never talked about your own personal training experiences, never even mentioned your dog's name or breed,  never posted a pic of your dog nor discussed silly little things your dog does, or your training successes/challenges with your dog..  I don't think you've got a dog.  I think you fancy yourself a dog trainer but you don't have a dog.  What an eye opener, now everything you've said makes perfect sense to me.  You don't know the pitfalls of different training methods because you've never had to use them.

I don't think you have a dog espence. I really really don't.

Yes, he does......when all this questioning about "who has had what experience" was going on he posted ictures.
Maybe I can find the link........

Yep, I did, but it has 11 pages. I think going to page 9 and up will have all the picture posting going on.
 
[linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=225795&mpage=11]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=225795&mpage=11[/link]

 
epencer,

Since I would really like to know how your training and hands on expierece has proven successful please tell me.  I read alot of books too and get alot of input on deverse idea's however - there is nothing like hands on expierence.  Please share with us how YOUR idea and method have worked for you?

1.  How old is Camila?
2.  Is she fully trained?
3.  Does Camila go out doors last, everytime? 
4.  Does Camila walk off leash reliably? 
5.  Does Camila have a sound recall? 
6.  Does she walk nice on a leash? 
7.  Does you use correction on this little dog?  If yes, what type?

Please share with us YOUR training expiences with your dog.  We would really like to know if your methods do work as well as you believe.

Enough personal banter...post on topic or don't post here
 
Continued off topic posting will result in your post being deleted and a personal message from me

In my house, whoever is obviously more excited about going out the door (and doing the Happy Dog Dance) gets to exit first.  That usually is not me. [] Like Glenda, if I'm sleeping somewhere other than my bed it's because I just happened to nod off there, not because Max has taken over my bed.
 
Joyce

Our OP has an adolescent dog, probably a generally good puppy, that has simply had a bit too much freedom too soon.  The OP asked for help with the problem of destructiveness, which in adolescent dogs means a gentle reminder about supervision during the pup's "second chewing stage", not a diatribe about leadership (even if you are a leader, you must still supervise a young puppy that is not fully trained yet, and not out of a "hard-wired" stage where she MUST chew in order to properly set her secondary teeth into her jawbone).  It's very simple, and has nothing to do with NILIF, who goes out the door first, or whether the pup has been trained in a reliable recall yet.  It is simply a matter of watching the pup, not allowing her to be loose in the home when she cannot be watched, and realizing that, in some breeds, like Labs, this stage can last quite a long time.  You need to know your own breed to understand at what age the chewing usually stops.  

Boo.  I wrote a long post, but got timed out.  Here's the condensed version:
 
1) Provide lots of good chews.  When Chase was an adolescent, we gave him a variety: frozen beef soup bones from the grocery store, bully sticks, kongs frozen with yogourt and kibble, dental chews (beef hide chews that we buy from the vet).
 
2) Bitter apple spray.  If your dog is particularly interested in chewing something, you can apply some bitter apple spray.  It isn't harmful, but dogs really don't like it.  Chase only tried to chew the table legs once after we sprayed it on.  Never again.
 
3) Lots of exercise.  Young, high-energy dogs need a good run every day!
 
4) Training.  Mental stimulation helps tire a dog out.  A tired dog is a well-behaved dog (at least that was true for my chessie!).
 
5) Tethers or baby gates, at least until you've gotten through the chewing phase.  When Chase was young, we lived in an apartment, so we didn't really bother, because no matter where we were we could see him.  Now we're in a house and our dog is very reliable.  Were he still an adolescent, he wouldn't have free run of the house.
 
Good luck!