Female Attacks Juvenile Male

    • Gold Top Dog
    And, just for the lurkers, this is one of the reasons people like me often tell college students not to get dogs until they graduate and have good jobs.  I don't mean to sound harsh, just trying to educate others.
    Exactly. This is why I am at the moment making do with a rather cute dwarf hamster, rather than the two cats and a dog which I really want... There is no way I as a college student can pay for pets, and give them stable living situations, and have enough to train and exercise them. It wouldn't be right to have a pet I might not be able to take care of.

    Okay, so here's a new development.

    Yesterday, Bear peed all over the place when Mercy attacked... but today Mercy's owner told me that she saw the following interaction: Bear took Mercy's muzzle into his mouth; then Mercy rolled over; and Bear put his jaws around her throat. (He didn't bite down, of course.) Apparently Mercy let him do it... If that isn't crystal clear, I don't know what is.

    Our Bearling is growing up...
    • Gold Top Dog
     
    Yesterday, Bear peed all over the place when Mercy attacked... but today Mercy's owner told me that she saw the following interaction: Bear took Mercy's muzzle into his mouth; then Mercy rolled over; and Bear put his jaws around her throat. (He didn't bite down, of course.) Apparently Mercy let him do it... If that isn't crystal clear, I don't know what is.

    Our Bearling is growing up...


    Not as much as you might think.  This could have been playtime.  In playtime roles change all over the place.  To me, with all the interference that's going on in the two dogs' lives regarding pack order, both of these dogs are being set up for failure. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    My dogs bite each other all over thier faces and heads while playing. It's their favorite past time. Conrad especially enjoys having Marlowe bite his dewlap (scruff) repeatedly. Muzzles, ears, legs are also popular biting locations. Sometimes they just lay together on the floor facing eachother and nibbling on each other's faces. I've heard dogowners refer to this game as Bitey-Face. It's a perenial favorite amongst dog siblings.

    Just as an illustration of what dogs playing can look like this is Conrad and Marlowe going to town.



    • Gold Top Dog
    The fact that a dog urinated during an altercation is not that unusual - they lighten up pretty automatically - part of the "fight or flight" response.
    If a dog walks over and puts his muzzle over another dog's muzzle, it could be play, but it could also be that he is reminding a lower ranking dog of his status.  In any case, the humans need to stop justifying one dog's behavior over another's if they have no education in how to assess dog behavior.  Clearly, if they are "spanking" dogs, they don't have a clue, and are better off doing nothing - except maybe saving their meager pennies for the training class they should have understood was part of responsible dog ownership for newbies. I would not live with anyone who thinks it's ok to hit dogs. [:'(]
    • Gold Top Dog
    From what her owner says, they weren't playing--Bear just walked up to her and did this.

    They bite each other all over when they play--ears, scruff, legs, whatever (they never hurt each other--they know not to bite down); Bear's even smart enough to hold onto collars!--but this encounter was apparently not play, because she's watched them play often enough and surely she'd know the difference.

    I agree that they are really messing up the dogs' pecking order. I suggested that they should not give one dog a rawhide in the presence of the other dogs; but they said that the rawhides weren't a problem... *sigh*
    • Gold Top Dog
    Not to offend anybody, but it seems to me your roomate actually DOESN'T know what they're "playing" looks like.

    I think maybe it sounded worse than it really was, and this is quite common.

    Ha, over Christmas, I went up to my Grandma's and she has a REALLY DA dog. And he attacked my dog I don't know how many times. A lot of it was all talk, and sounded worse than it did.
    Just keep them seperated, and keep an eye on them


    • Gold Top Dog
    I think maybe some thought might need to be given to the fact that the wolf mix may be exhibiting some behavior issues of his own.  The peeing especially makes me think he's acting out too. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    This whole situation just seems very unstable for the dogs.
    If the owners don't want to work with the dogs it is best to keep them apart.
    On the rawhide situation, if I handed out 1 or 2 rawhides to my pack of 5, I would be asking for trouble.