Collie mix "wigs" out when tied outside Starbucks, has no SA at home

Leave your dog at home instead of tying her outside where she could be stolen while you run a piddly coffee errand.  Sounds harsh, but it's the truth

Listen to her.  It must be very scary for her.  Let alone the risks you are taking. Some folks steal dogs,  she could bite someone if she is scared or mishandled, etc.   Leave her at home where she is safe. 

Sounds like you've made a lot of progress with your dog since you got her, good for you.  Seems that being tied up outside a store is beyond her comfort level.  There's ways you could work on this, if you put the effort in to break everything down into teeny tiny stages and not move to the next stage until your dog is ready.
 
But is it worth it?  That's up to you to decide.  I do hope you can ALWAYS see her when you're in the shop, as the others said, there's a risk she could be stolen or be fed something she shouldn't eat, etc. 
 
Sometimes if I'm out with my dog and want to grab something from a small shop, I'll open the door, call out to the owner that I'd like to make a purchase but can't come in because of my dog.  Uusally they're more than happy to fetch whatever I wanted and take my money at the door.  Could that possibly work in your situation?

I don't think its neccessary to leave the dog home, but you do need to be a bit more creative in your shopping.  Where I live, lots of stores welcome dogs.  I live out in the boonies with a small village 5.5 miles from where I live.  About once a week, when it's not unbearably hot, I'll walk two of my dogs all the way into town.  By the time I actually get INTO the town, it's more like 6 miles.  We have our regular stops for drinks for them (I carry water and a foldable bowl, but they like to stop at a little diner for a drink).  I don't buy much since I've gotta carry it all the way back home, but I can go into many stores with the dogs and those that I can't, like the coffee place, I just call in what I want and they bring it to me.  And they always take my empty water bottle and refill it for the dogs as well, before and after I have my latte.    In fact, I often stop at the one gas station that has bathrooms on the outside of the building so the dogs can go in WITH me. 
 
This gives all six a great walk, granted only every third week, but one HECK of a walk, and the much needed practice on in town manners.  Most merchants are surprisingly cooperative if you give them half a chance.

If Tandy was abandoned and ended up in the pound, it's possible the person who dumped her tied her up somewhere and left...and never came back. This is, sadly, a fairly common way that abandoned dogs are left, and if this is the case, imagine how your poor dog must feel every time you do this.

I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, but perhaps you need to think about whether it's really important for the dog to be able to be tied up outside. There are dangers with this -- the dog could be stolen, the dog could break away and run, the dog could bite someone out of fear or stress. It seems like a lot of stress for a little reward.

You say you've spent a lot of time training this dog, and if you really want the dog with you all the time, what about training the dog for some kind of service function so that the dog could legally go into stores with you? Border collies are smart and capable, so perhaps you might want to explore training your dog to be a service dog in some capacity.

In the meanwhile, you really want to think about whether it's worth it to put your dog through this if it's not absolutely necessary. And if it's just a specific place you go to regularly, like Starbucks, get your dog to pass the CGC, and then tell the manager your dog is a Canine Good Citizen, and would it be possible for you to bring your dog in for a few minutes each week when you get your coffee.

While some places have health regulations that prohibit this, a lot of smaller places will agree if the dog is well behaved and the manager happens to like dogs.

Jan

Sorry, but I'm with Xeph.  Do you know where stolen dogs end up?
Bait for fighting dogs, that's where...
[X(]  Please don't risk it - theft even happens in nice neighborhoods.

Collies, and other herding breeds are not happy to be left *anywhere* except home, without their humans.  So, you got a herding dog why? []

I agree with Jessie#%92s girl and sprit dogs, in fact I found a dog when Sasha was about 12 weeks old or so, he was tied up outside a gas station. He was yapping and howling and everything! I went over to him, using caution. I gave him a treat and talked to him, I waited and waited no one ever came to get him!


  Eventually I got my gas, went and talked to the dog for some more, STILL no one came! I went back into the gas station asked about the dog, they told me he had been out there ALL DAY! This was evening time. I went back out and took the dog!


  I placed a found add, realized I couldn#%92t keep another dog; we called him bud during his stay here. I found ‘bud#%92 a new home with some really great people! They are friends of ours. His name is now Rocky and he is one happy doggy! However he STILL suffers from separation anxiety!


  I do leave my own dogs in the back of my truck when I run errands however they are trained not to fear mama will be right back, Heidi has been wonderful in teaching this to Sasha. My dogs don#%92t jump out of the truck either, they have been taught to STAY and they do!


  I also park at the end of the parking lot in plain sight of the doors to the store but away from other peoples cars. My dogs don#%92t bark and carry on, in fact people waiting in their cars for someone will say to me those are some well behaved dogs you got there!


  This works for us, however if I thought for one second they were frightened I wouldn#%92t do this.


  As for dog napping one of them? Well there are beware of dog signs on all sides of my truck for a reason, Chubs will take your arm off if you touch it! Hence another reason I park at least 6 spaces away from other cars.

If you just want to bring the dog along to a local outside coffee shop, bring a friend along.  One of you can get the coffee and one can stay with the dog. That way, the dog will get used to being there and leashed to a chair or a table but won't feel abandoned and alone.

Joyce

Tandylover:
It probably can be taught.
I am aware of two ways:
1. Leave her regularly at the same spot, preferably at the same time. Ignore the hysterics, act "matter of factly". (worked with my dog's fear of elevators, car rides, etc). Sometimes it doesn't). In my experience this works quickly, but sometimes not at all. (like his fear of bathtub)
2. Teach her step-by-step. Sit-stay, a few steps... back to her, go away till tomorrow. Sit-stay, tie, one step back, come to her, go away, etc.... till you work being out of sight for 3 minutes. This is done so the dog never gets hysterical. If she does even when just approaching Starbucks, you need to start desensitization earlier. This doesn't work with my dog's bathtub problem either, but has worked with his fear of buldozers

Btw, is it just Starbucks, or any shop? This might be due to somwthing else scary in the vicinity of Starbucks

Everyone else:
I wonder is it really necessary to go to all this preaching about not leaving one's dog in front of the shop? And refusing to give information about how to do it?
If you feel this strongly about "not leaving one's dog", why don't you say so. This seems unnecesarily heated and not quite to the point.

I wonder is it really necessary to go to all this preaching about not leaving one's dog in front of the shop? And refusing to give information about how to do it?
If you feel this strongly about "not leaving one's dog", why don't you say so. This seems unnecesarily heated and not quite to the point.

We do feel strongly - and it's because those of us who have anything to do with dog rescue see the results of doing such things.  IMO, if you wouldn't leave your child tied outside the store, you shouldn't do so with your dog either.  I'd rather be "unnecessarily heated" and perhaps save a dog's life, or an owner's heart.
You must remember that we are also talking about a herding dog here - and, as many of us who know those breeds realize, being left is *very* difficult for them, and if you want to do so (in a safe place, not outside Starbucks USA), then progressive training is necessary.  It isn't fair to flood them by leaving them suddenly and not coming back for ten minutes.

OK, I can understand that. Also, I can accept that I am not at all good judge of all the dangers outside Starbacks, USA (having never been to USA nor read extensively about criminal rates for dog-related crimes). I am not saying that Tandlylover's or any other dog should be left tied at that particular place or a variety of other places.

Do you feel that 8 very strongly forumulated posts are enough to get that point accross? Can we now get to "how to do it if one really needs to" or has, having read all of this, decided it is his judgment that s/he will still do so?


Regarding flooding, I see how it can be considered unfair. Thank you for pointing that out.
It seems rather cruel to me too (I used it, as the alternative to elevator was for both of us to sleep in the park or to leave that stray to his own devices).

Out of academical interest: Are you perhaps aware what makes it work and not work? The level of fear or something else?

It is absolutely not worth risking your dogs mental health and safety for a darned cup of coffee.  Having worked in rescue myself, I've seen many dogs come in that were left "just for a minute" and either stolen, or frenzied themselves loose and were hit by a car, or picked up by AC.
 
If you look at my post it was all about how to shop SAFELY with your dogs.  I do it frequently.  But, I don't leave them outside alone and unattended for even a second.

I have a similar rescue dog with anxiety when I go out of sight.  I have worked hard for 2 years and he has made great progress.   I would never put him thru that to the point of shaking???   For a cup of coffee?  Bring along a friend to watch the dog if she wants coffee.  Plus him getting stolen is a very real threat.
 
The lady needs to realize that you can only do so much with a dog like this,  He will never be "whole and normal"  like an un-tramautized dog.  Sad but true.  Bless her for adopting him but she needs to realize his limitations .  It is a bummer because it is so "cool" to take your dog places.and meet people.

I have no idea how "safe" your starbucks is as a location to leave a dog for ten minutes. But it's quite easy to train a dog, particularly an eager to please herding dog,  to "stay" on a special mat for prolonged periods of time.  Mats are portable and can come to be seen as "a safe place" for dogs, even dogs that might freak out about being tied up-- after all, the dog is doing a job, not being "left".