What to do for a pup that's terrified of people...

    • Gold Top Dog

    What to do for a pup that's terrified of people...

    I've been working with several dogs at our humane society for awhile now, and I've been making progress with all of them.  But yesterday a shepherd mix puppy (I swear she looks just like a long-haired GSD) came in and is absolutely terrified of people.  I mean, yeah, we've had dogs come in that are afraid, especially because they're in a new place with new people, dogs, etc., but this is WAY beyond that.  Even the person that brough her (and another dog, a golden, who didn't seem to have any problems with people) in said that the only person she'd ever have anything to do with was her owner, and that anyone else she'd run away from.  So, I took her out to the playpen away from everyone and all the noise, and set her down and just gave her space.  For awhile she was so afraid that she wouldn't move.  She just crouched down, shaking, looking around with wide eyes.  After a couple minutes, she sprinted off to the other end of the pen and just stayed over there sniffing and exploring, but always keeping an eye on me. 

    So...about an hour later she still hadn't come around to sniff at me or anything.  She hadn't even gotten closer at all...  So there was definitely no way I'd be able to catch her myself without scaring the crap out of her more.  So another person came in and walked calmly to the other end of the pen and she just ran right up behind me, so I just reached back and started petting her.  She was obviously still really scared, but I was able to pick her up and carry her back inside before she tried to run away again.

     So my question is...what should I do with her?  I know what she really needs is to go to a foster home so that someone can interact with her on a regular basis and make sure people don't do anything to make her even worse.  But, that's probably not an option right now.  We don't know of anyone that can foster right now (most people only foster bitches that are close to whelping anyway), and I would, but I'm not allowed to since I don't own my home.  I just feel so sorry for the poor little girl, but I don't know what to do.  I can only spend an hour at most with her every few days, because I work somedays, so its not like I can just go there every day to volunteer my time.  And I don't really know of many other people that would want to mess with her.  They'd rather play with the dogs that will actually play with them...  Any suggestions?  I mean, I'm willing to try anything with the time I have with her, but I don't think that's going to be enough...and she's probably one of the first ones that would be euthanized because of her behaviour.  :(

    • Gold Top Dog

    Honestly I doubt she's going to make much improvement in a kennel setting - even the semi feral dog I worked with years ago would approach after about 15 mins of me sitting in the run ignoring him.  Have you tried using food treats?

    How old is this pup?  If she's already over 4 months, helping her overcome this is going to be even more tricky. 

    I do believe that shelters (specifically those that must euthanize for space) unfortunately need to make the tough decisions and only adopt out dogs with few if any behavior issues - if someone adopts a dog with major problems you can bet that 90% of the time they will be turned off of shelter dogs in general and will tell their friends that shelter animals are messed up.  The average pet owner walking in to adopt a dog does not have the skills, time, or money to invest in a major work in progress. :(

    Wish I had something more positive to say.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Oh, Broken Heart

    She needs time. She needs to have her space and be allowed to make the advancements. I wish I could have her.

    The best you can do is expose her to people. And the people should completely ignore her. Turn their backs toward her. I'm afraid something like this just takes time for her to get to know people and learn to trust them. I wish I knew more to tell you. Crying

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    stardog85

    Honestly I doubt she's going to make much improvement in a kennel setting - even the semi feral dog I worked with years ago would approach after about 15 mins of me sitting in the run ignoring him.  Have you tried using food treats?

    How old is this pup?  If she's already over 4 months, helping her overcome this is going to be even more tricky. 

    I do believe that shelters (specifically those that must euthanize for space) unfortunately need to make the tough decisions and only adopt out dogs with few if any behavior issues - if someone adopts a dog with major problems you can bet that 90% of the time they will be turned off of shelter dogs in general and will tell their friends that shelter animals are messed up.  The average pet owner walking in to adopt a dog does not have the skills, time, or money to invest in a major work in progress. :(

    Wish I had something more positive to say.

     I did have treats, but they weren't really the best.  Just some jerky treats.  I'd thought I might use hotdogs or liver or something, but I really don't know if it will make a difference.  I won't be able to work with her again until Wednesday (because of my work schedule), but if she's still there, I'll take her back out again and try some treats.  I just wish we had a harness or something to fit her, because I have to keep her on a leash or we'll scare the crap out of her trying to catch her again.  Sad  She just fights the leash so much! 

    I think she's right at 4 months, give or take a couple weeks...  I really believe she could eventually be ok with people, but I know it will just take too much time and a shelter environment definitely isn't making her any better. 

     I just wish we had someone who would foster her for awhile...I know its a very slim chance that she'll even still be there when I go in Wednesday, but she just really grew on me, even though she was completely petrified of me the entire time.  I just feel SO bad that I can't do something to help her. 

    I wish you all had more positive things to say too, but I realize that there just isn't much positive about any part of the situation.  Sad  It just makes me so angry because this wouldn't be a problem if the dog would have just been socialized!  UGH!

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    The best you can do is expose her to people. And the people should completely ignore her. Turn their backs toward her.

     
    I completely asgree with this. It's really tempting to pay a lot of attention to them, try to give them treats, coaax them, etc....but in the initial stages, the best thing to do is com,pletely ignore them. At most, say "hello doggy!" in a quiet, happy voice while putting down food, keeping eyes averted.


    I fostered a semi-feral kitten in the house for a while who would not even tolerate my presence in the room. She would run under the bed, hide, hiss, growl, scratch - absolutely terrified.  I kept trying to coax her out, give her toys and treats, but the attention only made her worse. So I tried the opposite. If I walked in and she ran, or hissed, I did nothing and went about my business, then left. Within a week she would not run away, and within two weeks she would tolerate sitting within 6 or so feet of me, and THEN I started SLOWLY increasing the amount of attention I gave her, but stopping if it became too much and she started running away again. She ended up being adopted with someone who continued working with her (yay) but like I said - ignoring them actually makes them feel more comfortable - attention should be gradually increased only along with comfort level.

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     That's so true about attention. Most wild animals get very suspicious when you pay attention to them. Interest ultimately means you might want to eat/attack them. When Kit's in one of his "I'm afraid of all people" moods, I just ignore him and try to keep my distance. The things I've found help him most are routine, predictability, no eye contact, turning your body away from him, and ignoring him or the way he's behaving. With him I say the same sorts of things in the same tone and use the same mannersims every time I'm around him, whether I'm doing something with him or not. I always say "Hi Kit" as I walk past his cage. The more I stick to the same way of beaing around him, the more relaxed he is. Even when he gets worked up, that can help him quite a bit.

    Sadly, it's not an easy thing, taming an animal. It takes loads of time and patience, especially an adult rather than a young 'un. I hate to think what kind of life Kit would have had if someone less sensitive to his needs had picked him up. Being terrified of everyone around you is not a very nice existence, and that level of stress is bad for the health of the animal. If they can't escape it, they'll likely develop other behavioural problems. My heart goes out to her, because the bond you cen get with an animal like that if you succeed in taming them is something out of this world, but really think hard about her quality of life in the meantime. It's a lot to put an animal through if circumstances are against her improving with time.