Chevy's story

Dear Karina,  I can't tell you how sorry I am to learn of Yeti's death... 

I am in contact with other's that I have met from this thread also.  It's ashame they do not feel comfortable posting on a forum about it but they seen my thread and did'nt want to deal with it.  I understand, but do it for the pup's out there...

It seem's a few thing's have been missed and or turned around, there are many people that don't vaccinate and there are quite a few of us that use homeopathic nosode's in place of vaccine's..   I believe there is a warning on vaccine bottle's that state's not to vaccinate sick animal's..   As far as chevy biting someone and what would happen,  probably the same thing that would happen to one of your dog's.  BTW,  it is 2009 now, 3 year's after I started this thread.  The agression, screaming and pitiful sitting with his eye's closed and crying is gone.   I believe there was another reply referring to the protocal of tail docking and vaccine's..  This would be assuming the breeder did thing's the correct way, which in this case it was not.  Karina and a few other's have seen the pic's of the botched tail docking that was done on chevy.  The breeder butchered him.

And especially to mrv,  I respected your wish to not use the word autism when you asked me not to. I was more than willing to refer to it as vaccinosis or spaniel rage or any diagnosis I was given to save arguing with you.  It was'nt until I returned here last week and seen your reply you posted May 26 that changed my mind.  You no longer deserved that respect from me.  You say you were trying to remove the focus from autism but what you did is put it at the top of the forum instead by your replies.  We all know the value of human children, why would you even make a remark like that.  We are talking about canine's...

Thank you to the member's who posted the supportive replies to me in this thread and to the moderator's I am sorry my thread has caused such ruckus, but a few pup's have been helped by it, so I guess it was worth it.

That would be really scarey and stressful to have a dog like that.  I'm glad that you managed to get him back to normal.  Hopefully he stays like that.

Thanks to JackieG, DeniseM and Chevy for your kindness and supportive comments re Yeti's death.  I'm still struggling with coming to terms with it.  The story is coming out bit by bit but there's things I'm still uncomfortable with.  I know they tried to do their best for Yeti and apparently did ring a vet and got their advice, but a number of things still bother me:-

1.  I did some detective work and managed to track down the vet that they'd consulted (and they don't know that I've done this).  I was told by that vet that he offered to see her, yet he said they didn't bring her to him.  Why did they not do this?  Why did they take it upon themselves to not take her there?  Where they worried about the bill?  I would have paid anything for her health, for her life.  Why did they not ring me and ask me what I wanted to do.

 2.  They said that she drowned in the late afternoon on Sunday.  The vet I spoke to said that he spoke to them at midday.  Why did they say this?

3.  They didn't tell me she had died until 7 or 7.30pm at night.  Why not?  Yes, they said they wanted to tell me in person, but you know, she was my dog, not their dog.  Why didn't they tell me earlier?

I can't tell you my devastation and getting a rigamortised dog back.  She was stiff as an old boot.  I was expecting my lovely soft little girl back.

I know the mum and the girls tried their best for the dog.  I've since found out the mum has a health problem and was drugged up to the gills over the weekend.  I also know that they had a party up there, I assume on the Saturday night.  I didn't know about either of these things.  I didn't know that there was a swimming pool there.  I didn't even consider asking questions like this.  Yes, it was my fault.

 I guess what I want to know is how would each of you feel if this had happened to your dog.  Would you feel you could ask these questions?  I'd like to be able to contact the grandparents at whose house she was at.

Yeti was up for sale. I'd had someone come and look at her the weekend before and we had agreed on a price for her, $900.  They didn't end up buying her, probably as the woman had a leg in a plaster cast and I suggested it might not be the best time for her to buy a dog as it's easy to trip on them.  Yet I am a disability pensioner.  Yeti was my most valuable dog.  So I spent 6.5 months raising a dog, my asset if I can put it that coldly (but you all know I adored her), to have them destroy my asset.  This doesn't sit well with me.  They don't even know that someone almost bought her the week before, or how much she was worth.

So what would you do?  I would love to contact the grandparents and the other woman who lives in their house (who I suspect might be the one that let her out of the house leading to her drowning).  In contacting them the friendship with her mum would probably end.  The mum isn't coping with her own health problems, which are quite serious.  It may be that the friendship won't survive this anyway. 

 Any input would be appreciated.  I need something, I just don't know what.  Maybe nothing will ever fill that sense of needing something else.  I just don't know.

 Karina.

 Karina, again my deepest sympathy for your lose. You are looking for answers and I think that is very understandable. Whenever we lose someone close to us there are a lot of 'what ifs' that keep running through our heads, especially when it is sudden and unexpected. Finding the answers help us with closure. So I totally get what you are going through.

I'm sure the girls are devastated and must be feeling responsible for Yeti's death. Chances are they have never had to deal with an emergency like this before and may have unintentionally made some bad decisions. You would have hoped they would have taken him to the vet immediately. Did they have a way to get there? Maybe it was just obvious that Yeti was gone. I really think that if they thought Yeti could be helped they would have gone. In an emergency situation people don't normally think about the cost.

I had a cat that died (hit by car) while he was in the care of my neighbor. They opted to wait until we returned to give us the news. We actually appreciated that. Now if the cat had been taken to the vet and needed surgery or the decision to euthanise, I would expect to be contacted. As for the time line - I don't know. Is it possible they revived Yeti and thought he was going to be OK? I think that is a fair question to ask.

Legally you may have some recourse. If you hired the girls to take care of your dog and through their negligence the dog dies you may be able to ask for compensation. It may be a case of getting blood from a stone however and will probably mean suing them. How old are the girls?

I think it is totally a personal decision how far you want to take it. If you just want to know exactly what happened for your own peace of mind then by all means have the conversation. It may be good for all parties involved to sit down and talk.

I know it takes time. The pain will eventually give way to happier memories. I wish you a speedy journey. 

Karina, I would be going through a very similar process, mentally, if that happened to one of my dogs.  There are so many questions and details that you just want answered.  I do know that people tend to not remember times and details when something traumatic like this happens and of course they must have dreaded telling you.  I think any time something happens so suddenly we want to know every detail, it's sort of like trying to recreate the last moments and trying to put all the pieces in their proper place.  It doesn't make the grief less but it seems to help the mind accept.  In this case, they feel so much guilt they could be telling you things they think you want to hear and it could also be they are just remembering incorrectly with no intent to deceive you.  Your feelings of guilt are understandable but you should try and not focus on all the "what if" thoughts.  Accidents are just that, accidents.  Yes, they were careless and this caused her death but they did not purposely "destroy" her.

 It's very unfortunate that this dog was for sale and now is dead. This adds a different stress to the whole horrible situation. You will have to decide if you think you could recover the selling price from them and if you can, is it worth the friendship.  You did trust your dog to them and they did let this happen. You probably do have grounds to pursue them legally.   I don't really know what I would do in your situation.  The money is a consideration and I can certainly understand if you choose to pursue that angle. 

 I would give yourself some time to think things through and to come to terms with her death.  You are still reeling from the shock. Again, I am so sorry this happened. 

My personal views about using the term are no longer necessary to discuss, they are merely the result of working with folks with disabilities starting in my early teens.

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LWAYS been "off." He relates to spacial issues in an abnormal way, is extremely body sensitive except for his face and head, has difficulty understanding cause and effect, is very into routine, and is trainable only to a certain extent before a wall goes up and shuts off his ability to learn. He's always been extremely reactive. He's not aggressive, but showed abnormally agitated behavior when he was younger. He does not think, and doesn't seem to make choices. He simply reacts to routine. If routine is disrupted, he is lost. We've owned several Swissies and, please believe me, this dog has NEVER been "normal" by any standards.

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