The Body Language of Dogs

    • Gold Top Dog

    I wonder how we would analyze a human kiss.  Surely, it has some of the same origins in humans that it does in dogs.  If I am not mistaken, before humans had processed foods, mothers chewed foods for their babies and then fed it to them from their mouths.  Now I don't know of any mothers who still do this, but we still kiss.  It has become a sign of affestion, but it can also be a sign of deference (submission).  Think about a mother asking their child to give them a kiss or forcing a kiss on them.

     In the same way, very few of our puppies were ever fed from the mouth by their mothers, but they still lick as a sign, I think, of affection, not simply submission.  I have never seen a dog lick the face of a dominant dog that it does not have a reasonably friendly relationship with, but I have seen dogs who are not submissive, lick the faces of their friends in greeting.

     Selli gives me kisses to wake me up, especially when I am napping and she wants to go out for a walk.  I have also put a kiss on command as part of our agility pre-run routine to get her excited, but that started as a behavior she offered.  In neither of these occasions is she being submissive, but she is trying to communicate something with me.

     Duffy is less of a licker in general, but he has started doing mouth kissing when I bend down to pick up a pile when I am sweeping.  He wiggles in and does a traditional mouth kissing, which he will do to his dog friends.  To me it seems like he is asking for attention.  Is this submissive?  Yes, to some extent, but it he also demanding my attention.

     I think sometimes, we are so afraid of the idea of anthropomorphising that we ignore the fact that many of human and animal behaviors spring from the same places and that extrapolating from human behavior to dog behavior is the best way of understanding dog behavior.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Shimmer is a stress licker. This type of licking is not submissive, or affectionate, but more compulsive. It consists of stereotyped licks, with repeated head movements. When she's feeling anxious or stressed, she'll repeatedly try to lick you - your hands, neck, face, shirt....there is no actual relation to you at all, you can see in her eyes that she's almost not even focused on the licking but almost lost inside her own mind somewhere. When she's not feeling anxious, though, her kisses are those of a normal dog, a quick lick here or there, usually only when asked for it.

    Gaci will give kisses on cue. I know they aren't "kisses", but they are affectionate for her.

    I have an idea that the majority of dogs stop licking out of "deference" (that is, what a puppy would do to its dam) when they get out of juvenile puppyhood. Most dogs, as adults, don't lick each other's mouths ritually like they do when they are puppies to their dams. With my guys, they will lick beards after a meal, but other than that never lick mouths in that manner. And working at the boarding kennel, and being around a lot of dogs over the years, I see very few dogs ritually lick the mouth of another dog. They will, however lick ears and groom each other. But I don't see it as anything to do with deference, since in any one sitting the dogs may groom each other, or they'll take turns, and there is no 'order' involved. To me it appears to be simply affection.

    The dogs that I have seen lick mouths as adults tend to be either one or a combination of the following - sensitive, soft dogs, neotinized breeds sometimes do it more than the more primitive breeds do. Dogs that really care what other dogs think of them, and often have other body language showing that - crawling up to the other dog, rolling over, ears back and body lowered, etc. Usually the licking, is done in a highly ritualized manner. I've also seen it occur in highly anxious dogs that are unsure of how to otherwise act, I've seen it in puppies that were improperly weaned in litters. I have rarely seen it in stable, confident, adults, and I seen differing levels of tolerance by the lick-ee of the lick-er.

    I think in terms of dogs licking humans, it's not about deference but rather what is learned as a puppy (or when you get the dog, but more likely with puppies). Puppies are often reinforced a lot for giving "kisses", by most people who meet the puppy. So the puppy likely learns, more classically than operantly, that kisses are a great thing to do and often result in fun things happening. The more experience a puppy has with licking people, the stronger the behaviour will become, if the behaviour is reinforced (simply smiling can reinfroce it, or talking to the dog). So it becomes habitual. The  body language involved in kissing people is rarely what you would see in a dog licking the mouth of another dog, which also seems to partially indicate that there is more learning behind it than instinct. Also, puppies that aren't raised much around people, tend to be less "kissy" than those pups raised with a lot of people. It's One other thing I have noticed, is that sometimes dogs that know each other will licky-face after reuniting after a time apart. Again, it's not ritualistic, and the body language can vary depending on the dog (no consistency with "submission";). It seems that these dogs are simply doing a doggy-style of a happy greeting after being apart, much like how two humans will hug or shake hands after having been apart for a period of time. not an absolute, as everything is dog specific, but these are things I have noticed over time.

    I think licking, with humans, is not about deference, but more affectionate, and even for some dogs I would wager that there is very little affection involved, but rather it's simply habitual and learned, much like a "high five". Licking also releases those feel-good chemicals in the brain, so that could be a part of it as well (you tend to see this more in dogs that suck/lick inanimate objects or itself, and its seen more in dogs with some behaviour issues, but it might play a role).

    • Gold Top Dog

     I think that's true, and I also think that dogs do share some human emotions, as do other species.  Whether we think of our own breeds as neotenized or not, I think that they all are, to one degree or another, and as such would display behaviors that might ordinarily be confined to juveniles, but are continued into adulthood instead.  I often see the ear licking that you describe, and it seems to be a form of greeting behavior, at least in my dogs' social group.  I am fortunate to have two females that have abundant affection for one another, so I often see play and greeting behavior.  By the way, the famous Aussie "smile" is often joyful, often used in greeting one who has been away for a while, but I do recognize the "smile" that is a manifestation of stress, and agree that it is heartbreaking when people don't recognize that Fido isn't having fun..

    • Gold Top Dog

    Anne, it seems to me that you agreed with a post of mine that said that adult dogs licking is in deference to another dog and then here, you're agreeing with Kim, who is saying that adult dogs don't lick in deference... I'm confused. Did I miss something?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Though originally, mouth licking was linked to prompting mom to give forth food from her mouth, I think some dogs use it as a form of affection and or groom. Shadow has impeccable timing for giving you a big, sloppy slobber right on the lips. But sometimes, he will like my hand when he is calm.

    When I come home and he is excited to see me, the ears are laid back, mouth open, and tail wagging. Other times, when a guest has arrived, his ears are back, tail wagging, but he is barking. Then, he will recall himself to my side

    So, similar signs for different social scenes.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    My dogs kiss on the chin or the check.   I'm totally not into getting frenched by a dog!  And they absolutely know where they are supposed to give me those nice kisses.  This truly is the default behavior I installed in them as pups who wanted to nibble on me, face included.

    • Gold Top Dog

    FourIsCompany

    Anne, it seems to me that you agreed with a post of mine that said that adult dogs licking is in deference to another dog and then here, you're agreeing with Kim, who is saying that adult dogs don't lick in deference... I'm confused. Did I miss something?

     

    No, not really.  They lick in deference, but sometimes they don't - sometimes, it's as ron said - get "mom" to give something from the mouth, or grooming, or affection.  I don't think that the range of meanings is static, and I think that, truth be known, we don't always know the nuances of subtle behaviors either.  What if it means something different if the tongue is extended out farther, or if the licks are staccato versus slow?  I'm sure that there is much we don't know yet:-))  So, no absolutes perhaps.  Granted, some of the more obvious postures, like the play bow, are easy to guess the meaning of, but the turned whisker or the glance???   

    • Gold Top Dog

    Our youngest dog (2) likes to lick William.  I keep him clean so there is no food or dribble or anything for her to get.  But she still likes to lick him all over, head, face, hands, feet, legs... whichever bit she can reach...  I don't encourage it, and actually I don't really like being licked much, so I don't reinforce it when she tries to do it to me either.  It's certainly not "submission"; she must know that William is totally vulnerable to her, she is not stupid! 

    Maybe he just smells nice.  I think some licking is curiousity.... the taste/smell senses are so closely linked and we know dogs rely on smell a lot, so perhaps they can glean even more information by licking?  I think it is linked to affection too... I think it tends to be a more social thing, something familiar the dog might do with individuals s/he knows well.  Our youngest is certainly still very curious about William, despite the fact that he's 8mo now.  I suppose he's changing so much and doing different things all the time, he will be "new" to her for a long time. 

     

    The "grin" - I know a dog that does this and I have wondered about it.  He is certainly trying to "make himself small" when he does it, his head is so low as to be almost skimming the ground with his chin and his body is kind of curled with his tail low and his ears flat.  He does it when being called usually, occasionally when he goes up to greet people.  He is a "rescue", he is about 11-12 now and they have has him since he was a year old.  I am not sure where he came from or what happened to him before they got him.  What do you think the grin means in this instance? 

    • Gold Top Dog

    my dogs very rarely lick each other on the face (ears get licked a lot). The exception being my neighbor's dog- who will pester one of my dogs to the point of that dog getting annoyed, and then he'll lick rapidly, apparently to appease the dog into not attacking him.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Chuffy

    Our youngest dog (2) likes to lick William.  I keep him clean so there is no food or dribble or anything for her to get.  But she still likes to lick him all over, head, face, hands, feet, legs... whichever bit she can reach...  I don't encourage it, and actually I don't really like being licked much, so I don't reinforce it when she tries to do it to me either.  It's certainly not "submission"; she must know that William is totally vulnerable to her, she is not stupid! 

    Maybe he just smells nice.  I think some licking is curiousity.... the taste/smell senses are so closely linked and we know dogs rely on smell a lot, so perhaps they can glean even more information by licking?  I think it is linked to affection too... I think it tends to be a more social thing, something familiar the dog might do with individuals s/he knows well.  Our youngest is certainly still very curious about William, despite the fact that he's 8mo now.  I suppose he's changing so much and doing different things all the time, he will be "new" to her for a long time. 

    It sounds like your dog is mothering William!  The licking all other is what mother dogs do to their puppies.

    • Gold Top Dog

     I'm curious about the paw lift.  Tasha is the only one that does this every day.  She'll sidle up to you and lift a paw to place it on your arm or leg.  Her ears are back and she looks very timid.  What some might call a "guilty" face though I know she's guilty of nothing.  She is a very submissive dog to us and usually has her ears back when getting pets and lovin's.

    So why the paw lift? 

    • Gold Top Dog

    placing a paw on you like that is a "beg for attention". usually only submissive dogs "beg" for attention from more dominant dogs. The "guilty" look is just "placating signals"; has she ever been punished for pawing?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Penny does this as well, but interestingly, she really only does it when I've been away for a while and my return is so wonderful to her that she can barely contain herself. When she can contain herself enough to get some belly rubs or strokes or whatever, she will often lift her paw and put it on my wrist or arm when I start to pat her. Her ears go back, but not flat against her head, and they turn outwards slightly, a little like her anxious ear orientation, which confuses me somewhat. She keeps her mouth closed and will look me in the eye quite comfortably, but sometimes the tongue flicks out a few times.

    • Gold Top Dog

     I don't want to derail, but I found this article by Ian Dunbar, and thought it was worth people's attention:

    http://dogstardaily.com/training/body-language 

    • Gold Top Dog

    mudpuppy

    placing a paw on you like that is a "beg for attention". usually only submissive dogs "beg" for attention from more dominant dogs. The "guilty" look is just "placating signals"; has she ever been punished for pawing?

     

    The confusing part is that she's already getting attention!  She does it after I've already begun to pet her.

    And no, never punished for pawing.  Ignored perhaps.  She always has her ears down with us.  Below is her normal expression, even without a camera in her face.