PLEASE HELP ME - OLDER DOG PEEING

However, if you are not a vet, he won't listen.

But he doesn't talk to his own vet!!  Why won't he pick up the phone and at least speak to a vet about this??  I'm sure they will tell him to bring the dog in with a urine sample.  Unless anyone is willing to make that call, I don't see anyone helping this animal.
 
No one here is trying to make anything worse than it already is.  This has been going on before May when you moved in because you said it already smelled of urine.
 
However, I don't see how a vet can diagnose over the phone or internet, and they should be hesitant to do that.  You yourself mentioned our litigation crazy society.  People in the medical field are all too aware of this and more than likely won't treat a dog over the phone or internet.   

He knows she needs to go to the vet.  Or a pee sample. 
 
I asked about confining the dog to one spot.  I cannot be liable (legally) to take her to the vet and chance her biting someone.  If her owner has trouble with at the vet - how is she going to let me take her (or for that matter not misbehave while I have her in their office).  So me taking her there is not an option.
 
Do you now see why I suggested re-homing to him???

... dobermans are not exactly my cup of tea. They're scarey, you can't walk them and it's spitfire trying to get them calm enough to take to the vet. My fear is, what if she bites some one at the vet because I have never taken her there before?

 
I'm not clear as to why you are assuming she is going to bite somebody when you have stated that you have never taken her to the vet before?  When was the last time she saw a vet? 
 
You just stated that your BF knows she has to see the vet.  Then why in the world is he not taking her?  If you don't feel that you can handle her in that situation, why can't he??  Afterall, she is his dog.   

Ha - you're awful close to us in Delaware.
 
Why do I think she is going to bite - because she has a history of being frighteningly aggressive at the vet.  Unlike my lab that just sniffs and licks.  You need to understand that I am not risking a lawsuit for the dog.  I care but not that much.
 
Why doesn't he have time?  He currently has a backlog of about 4 months at his work.  He has to work about 13-14 hours a day to never catch up and then spends all weekend on his house.  The dog is not the only one getting neglected here...

Ha - you're awful close to us in Delaware.

 
You want me to take her to the vet??.[sm=eek.gif]

If you're afraid of her biting someone, have you tried muzzling her?  My very active (and very strong) lab/greyhound mix and been doing very well on a muzzle harness.  We've never had a problem with him biting, but he would always pull on the leash and it was extremely hard to control him.  He's about the size of a doberman, and he's doing great on the muzzle harness.  It took a couple of times for him to get used to it and not try to get it off, but now he's comfortable with it and walks are much easier and more enjoyable for both of us.  It's worth a try for your dog.

I'd also like to add that if she does have some type of infection and you and/or your bf don't do anything to help her (i.e. actually take her to a vet and get her some help), you could be charged with animal cruelty.  It's something to think about and mention to your bf.

eknoll, it's ok to be frustrated maybe even a bit angry.  You came to the board looking for some suggestions, and got a few really good ones.  You mentioned that you cannot physically take this girl to the vet.  Someone suggested taking a urine sample. 
 
If you are indeed looking for help, this urine sample would be a great place to start.  From there the vet should be able to determine if she's got a UTI.  What you do after that is between you, your bf and the veterinarian. 
 
If she's incontinent there are doggie diapers for older dogs. 
 
From your tone, it sounds to me as if you want to re-home the dog and that's the only solution.  I don't agree, nor do the other posters here, so it seems.  Get this girl some medical attention and do it as soon as possible.  She's in pain and can't heal herself.

I can't chat anymore - science tests await. 
 
There's the facts folks.  Nothing else is going to change. 
 
Can I pen her or not?

I think Xerxes suggestion of collecting a urine sample is a good one.  Are you not even willing to do that?  You say "There's the facts...nothing else is going to change."  That honestly makes it sound like you just don't care to even try.  You've mentioned that you didn't even want a doberman to begin with, so it sounds like you are just looking for an excuse to get rid of her.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but after reading all the posts in this thread, that's really what it looks like to me.

ORIGINAL: eknoll33

I can't chat anymore - science tests await. 

There's the facts folks.  Nothing else is going to change. 

Can I pen her or not?

 
You know what, contact a rescue group.  You obviously don't care about the dog and don't deserve to own a dog anyway.

you have got to take the  bull by the horns ( in this case the dog by the horns) and get her urine checked out..That can be done by using a big wad of cottone  and forceps, twigs,  or anything to hold the cottone in and catch the stream...when that is done put the cotton in a baggie...this is not the best method but it works...you can even put cotton on the end of a big fork..This could be an endocrine problem but you will have to eliminate that first befor  you think of behavioral problem...No matter how nasty the dog it a sedative shot can be given  out side the offic e or even in the car...I have not read all the posts but  I am sure people have told you  ways of  tereating the behavior  portion.. but get a sample, if you BF won't cooperate the I think, you needc a new one...BF that is...but you have to get a sample, and the above method works fine..you might not even have to take the dog if the sample shows endocrine...but try to get the sample as close to your vets  hours, ie better to be checked within an hour of catch...good luck

Davet, if we didn't scare her off and she does come back, her BF refuses to try Proin or other drugs because of possible side effects.  What are your experiences with it?  It seems he will only listen to what a Vet has to say.

I'm sorry, call me rude, but I just flat out don't care about offending you, I care about the health of this dog. I think Xerxes has made the best suggestion about contacting a rescue group. It is BLATENLY obvious, that you could care less about this dog, and are only concerned about the smell of your Boyfriends house. He obviously doesn't care much for the dog either, or he would be taking the necessary steps to get this dog treated. There are SIMPLE things you can do to prevent this dog from peeing all over the house. Numerous people have already suggested them, but she NEEDS medical attention to rule out infection.
You are making an awfully big fuss about this dog being a doberman, and I don't think it's fair at all to compare this dog to your moms "sweet lab".  I think you need to open your mind, clear your preconceptions of this breed, and SEEK HELP, and stop making excuses for your OWN bad behavior. This dog can't treat herself. Only you can do that.

And,  this poor dog is not a "thing", it's a living creature that God created.  Please get a morning urine catch by way of a clean frisbee, transfer to a clean jar,  and take it first thing to the vet. 
 
THEN, call a rescue group.  Referring to this helpless animal as a "thing"  retty much shows where your heart is at concerning her.    Get a rescue group to take her.  She, like all creatures - human and animal - needs love and attention and so please, please give her the chance to be loved by somebody else.
 
SHE IS HELPLESS   AND  NEEDS  YOUR,  repeat  YOUR help.     It is cruel to not give her basic medical attention.  And, I will go further to say it is cruel to leave her in a home where she is not loved.  Obviously you don't care about her or like her  and got off to a really bad start by all the peeing in the house.   OK, so let's face that  and ---> allow her the chance to be in a home where someone will love her, please.
 
This can be done, but yes, it will take a little bit of effort on your part.  Give her the chance, please, please, please..

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

ORIGINAL: eknoll33

I can't chat anymore - science tests await. 

There's the facts folks.  Nothing else is going to change. 

Can I pen her or not?

You know what, contact a rescue group.  You obviously don't care about the dog and don't deserve to own a dog anyway.

 
That's what I was thinking. Really, a shame.