Dog Whisperer Season 3

"Draconian" is my use of the word, and how I would have described it the first time I saw one. That is, it looked painful and I thought it was. I have since learned, from people such as Glenda, that it can be used properly and bring about a needed change, thereby changing my view of it as a tool that can be valuable if other methods aren't working. I was not meaning to imply that you or anyone else here, other than myself, has used the word "draconian."

Anne--What is the eye rolling for??  I'm just again wanting to clarify CM stuck with what they were already using odd choice or not.  They were going to continue with it that's why he kept going with it.

ORIGINAL: ron2
Dogs do not think like humans and have not studied the Spanish Inquisition or the history of the Marquis De Sade, so they don't view the prong as draconian torture or a bear trap on a leash.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear. Our TWO chief weapons are surprise and fear and ruthless efficiency. THREE! Our three chief weapons are surprise, fear, ruthless efficiency and a fanatical devotion to the Pope.....

Sorry. I couldn't resist.[:'(]

ORIGINAL: corvus

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear. Our TWO chief weapons are surprise and fear and ruthless efficiency. THREE! Our three chief weapons are surprise, fear, ruthless efficiency and a fanatical devotion to the Pope.....

Sorry. I couldn't resist.[:'(]

 
You will confess!
 
Fetch the comfy chair and the fluffy pillows!

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ORIGINAL: corvus

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear. Our TWO chief weapons are surprise and fear and ruthless efficiency. THREE! Our three chief weapons are surprise, fear, ruthless efficiency and a fanatical devotion to the Pope.....

Sorry. I couldn't resist.



You will confess!

Fetch the comfy chair and the fluffy pillows!

 
You come back here! I'll bite your legs off! It's only a flesh wound.

ORIGINAL: willowchow

Anne--What is the eye rolling for??  I'm just again wanting to clarify CM stuck with what they were already using odd choice or not.  They were going to continue with it that's why he kept going with it.

I think that if you are a competent professional, you don't just go along with what the client thinks they need, you explain why the collar is not appropriate for their dog, what is appropriate and useful in their situation and why, and if you cannot ethically use such a collar on a particular dog, you refund their money and refer them elsewhere. 

ORIGINAL: Angelique

The episode with the skateboard obsessed bulldog never involved any danger to the kids. I never saw the dog even redirect his obsession in the form of aggression, bite the leash, or focus on the kids.

Yay! The new season is finally here!

So grab yer dog, grab some popcorn, or grab your torch and pitchfork and enjoy!

I love watching him work. So much more going on between Cesar and the dogs he works with, than first meets the eye.

Go Cesar!

Yeah, God bless that bulldog.  But, the inherent danger was there, despite the fact that that particular dog did not act at that moment.
So, I assume that you are ok if I want to use your kids for all my work with aggressive dogs???? 

Actually, I think I will just bail out of this thread, since it seems all the same people are here touting CM, as always.  Anyone who would like to see the same results using dog-friendly techniques can PM me for resources.  That way, we don't go down the same primrose path of the endless arguments.  This is a great place for all you CM groupies to hang out so others of us can get on with some positive training advice for the people who would like it. 

So, I assume that you are ok if I want to use your kids for all my work with aggressive dogs????

 
Well, that's a bit overblown because he doesn't use other people's kids at all.  He uses his OWN boys who have been around this type work their entire short lives.  And, he doesn't use them for ALL his aggressive dog cases.  Just the ones where a little bit of help is needed.  Sorta like Bindi Irwin being involved with dangerous animals from the start.  If you learn the dangers and how to handle them, you increase your chances of success around those animals.  
 
He used his boys with a case of an agility dog who suddenly became deathly afraid of kids and couldn't concentrate on the course if kids were in the crowd.  His owner was a well versed "dog person" and had been in the agility circuit for years.  He helped desensitize the dog towards children by using his own kids.  It worked and the dog was able to run agility courses again.  The owner was pleased and there wasn't any aggression involved from the dog.  

This is a great place for all you CM groupies to hang out so others of us can get on with some positive training advice for the people who would like it.

 
See, now that's passive-aggressive.  You have stated your remarks about this season, then bail out.  The eye rolling that Willowchow mentioned was passive-aggressive.  To call us "groupies" (I never quite thought of myself as a groupie!) is not appropriate either.  I have stated before that I don't understand why people who clearly don't like CM keep coming on these threads and make snide remarks, then get dramatic and have to "end it" because they are so misunderstood.  I agree it's tiresome and overly dramatic to say the least. 
 
I can only speak for myself, but I can assure you that I understand +R methods.  It's not a secret that only a few are privvy to.  I use +R methods, and have said that repeatedly.  There's really no need to keep sniping and walking away.    

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Actually, I think I will just bail out of this thread, since it seems all the same people are here touting CM, as always.  Anyone who would like to see the same results using dog-friendly techniques can PM me for resources.  That way, we don't go down the same primrose path of the endless arguments.  This is a great place for all you CM groupies to hang out so others of us can get on with some positive training advice for the people who would like it. 

Great attitude spiritdogs.  One of the reasons I started this thread was so people like you could write about alternative methods to the ones CM uses if you happen to disagree with what he did on a specific episode.  Did you even watch the 1st episode?   As I stated earlier, with the 3 cases he took on in the first episode I really didn't see anything CM did that didn't make sense to me or not "dog friendly" and I thought he did a great job overall, but if you or anyone else feel differently, I'd genuinely like to understand why and learn about other ways to take on the problems he faces with owners and their dogs.  So come on spiritdogs, stick around!  At least until the 2nd episode?  Please??

ORIGINAL: Trevell

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Actually, I think I will just bail out of this thread, since it seems all the same people are here touting CM, as always.  Anyone who would like to see the same results using dog-friendly techniques can PM me for resources.  That way, we don't go down the same primrose path of the endless arguments.  This is a great place for all you CM groupies to hang out so others of us can get on with some positive training advice for the people who would like it. 

Great attitude spiritdogs.  One of the reasons I started this thread was so people like you could write about alternative methods to the ones CM uses if you happen to disagree with what he did on a specific episode.  Did you even watch the 1st episode?   As I stated earlier, with the 3 cases he took on in the first episode I really didn't see anything CM did that didn't make sense to me or not "dog friendly" and I thought he did a great job overall, but if you or anyone else feel differently, I'd genuinely like to understand why and learn about other ways to take on the problems he faces with owners and their dogs.  So come on spiritdogs, stick around!  At least until the 2nd episode?  Please??

If you guys think my crap gets tiresome for you, how do you think I feel.  Not only do I have to explain why this guy isn't the male Madonna (I mean Mary, not the other one) every day of my life that I teach classes, but I have to undo the damage that people do to their dogs from watching him, or they assume that, because Cesar's way didn't work the dog is unsalvageable.  Most of the time they are talking to me about a six month old puppy, for crying out loud.  You guys are dealing with your own dogs - I'm hearing about puppies getting cuffed and ssshhhttt'd at, and pinned to the floor before they even know what "sit" means.  So, I really think I've earned the privilege of rolling my eyes, because what I see him do is not all that impressive.  And, to keep coming on these threads so that you can bash me for telling you what he does that is not ok, well should I simply be a masochist forever?  Please, I get paid for my opinion, I offer it here free.  I don't, however, think I should be operating at a deficit by taking the kind of crap many of you have dished me.  Like "treat dispenser", "bribes the dog", "jealous" "passive-aggressive" (I'm jealous, all right, but not of CM - I would, however, like to be a size 6 and  have Oprah's money in my next life.)

Spiritdogs,

I think "almost" everyone on the forum values your advise, I know I do!  You are so on the money about people who see a 1 hour show and think all they have to do is sheee their dog and pull on the leash and they will be able to be successful.  That is the problem with Cesars show (not Cesar) is that people think thats all they have to do and the real message is..  that leadership is important.  One of my own friends got a dog from the pound and when I went to her house she was yanking on the leash and yelling at the dog etc,etc and I was horrified. I tried to explain that there is so much more that she needs to understand and that she needed to enroll in a training class so someone could help guide her and show her techniques and correct tool usage etc.

My point is that your clients eventually and unfortunilty find this out AFTER they have failed and then they come to you and for your knowledge and guidenace and hopefully turn things around.  What I think you do for this forum is MAKE PEOPLE think and understand that if they choose to use those techniques that they need to enlist someone who can teach them more than the 1 hours they watched on TV or maybe consider that their issues can be solved using other methods.  This hopefully helps redirect the owners of these dogs before they blantley start using techniques they don't understand.

I know you have been getting alot of negativity back from some posters here recently and I also know that they are newbies to the forum and haven't learned to respect you as I have and that is unfortunate for us.  I think that the people with the real problems ARE getting good information and message is strong that used incorrectly or for the wrong reason you may do more harm than good, mainly becasue they are seeing that there are differences to training techniques and hopefully they are seeing that there is more to Cesars techniques than meets the show.  And you are the main contributer to this and getting people to think and become knowlegable on techniques (both ositive and negavtive) and more informed decisions are being made becasue of your input and others, it makes people think and read and learn and that is what is valuable about your information - in my eyes.

The arguements here I think are not that your methods of training don't work it seems to always be in defense of the other methods working too.  People who use tools on puppies and methods on puppies that Cesar uses are for sure those who didn't care to understand.  Not even Cesar, I don't think, would use compusion methods on a puppy.

Please don't let people chase you away your message is valuable to this forum!![]
 
PS:  This is in no way a pro Cesar post it is a pro Anne post!!!

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

but I have to undo the damage that people do to their dogs from watching him,

 
That means he is giving you business []
 
I am just joking, i know there is million of stupid people that think those techniques are a "magic key" and they just do it because thats the way they saw it on TV
 
Cesar has gone to houses where people dont miss one single show and still have problems with their dogs
 
Those people think that the techniques come with a instruction book like "1.-put right hand here, 2.-Put left hand here. 3.-Pin down the dog" and it will work when we know there is way more things behind that just having the hands in the right place, you need also attitude, body lenguage, time, excersice, etc.
 
I know it can be frustrating when they come to you with an attitude of "but i saw it on TV" and if you ask me you can kick their butt
 
Just dont blame Cesar for all those stupid people that will never get it right [], is not his fault that those people believe they are smart enough to think they should pin down a dog when what the dog needs is excersice

espenser,

You are the biggest proponet of Cesars Way on this board, and you are totally right with your last post.  So maybe when you direct new people to follow Cesars way you could add a disclaimer as well - "don't do this at home without proper guidance" becasue pushing the web pages without the information on how to carry these techniques out is just as bad a watching the TV show for those who have problems and no clue. They will watch a video segment and then try to follow what they saw without understanding there is SO MUCH MORE to learn and know before implementing these techniques. .