Stacking?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Stacking?

    What is everyone's favorite method for teaching a dog to stack? I'm curious, because I'm working on teaching Shippo to stack... right now I'm just using food, but the thing is he keeps wanting to sit. >X.x;<

    Perhaps teaching "stay" will make it easier lmao...
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    What is stacking?
    • Gold Top Dog
    I'm confused too. What is stacking? I know standing, but stacking I'm lost at that.
    Also how do you teach a dog to stack?
    • Gold Top Dog
    yup, whats that?
    • Gold Top Dog
    Wow... I didn't realize that nobody knew the other terms for it lol... Yes, it's the same as "standing."

    And I promise I'm not speaking martian! >^^;< Here are links to pages that use the same term lol...

    http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/beginners.cfm
    http://www.canismajor.com/dog/consho2.html
    http://www.boxerworld.com/show/definition.shtml
    http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/youthdevelopment/components/DA8209a.html
    • Gold Top Dog
    Wow I didn't know standing had another name. I thought you were talking about standing in your first thread when you said she kept trying to sit down on you. Standing is the hard to master, Blue wanted to sit down to when I started doing it. Get her in position for standing and then give her the signal stand and once she holds it for a while then treat. Slowly increase your distance away from her that is what I did with Blue. It took a while, but he can master it now no sweat.
    • Silver
    I like to start out kneeling next to the dog's right side. My right hand will either be holding the collar or doling out treats. I am able to palm several small treats in my right hand and dole them out slowly. Doesn't work for some people. You need to pay attention to the position of your right hand while you work with your left, because it will tend to move. If your hand moves out of position so will the dog.
     
    My left hand will go under the dog's flank. It's not to physically hold the dog up, just a very light touch or tickle to remind the dog not to sit. At this point I start teaching it just like an obedience stay. A very clear Stay command, and a very clear release word. At first it will only be for a very brief moment. The first thing to work on is to increase the time. I like to reward intermittently during the stay just like in obedience. Then I start working on moving the left hand away briefly. I also gradually and slowly start moving my left hand to touch the dog in various places without the dog moving, then back under the flank. That prepares for the exam and also for you touching the legs, getting ready to place them.
     
    Then start working on your body moving. Lean away, lean sideways. Start to stand up a little, then back down. Work towards standing up.
     
    I never work on placing legs until the dog has a concept of the stand stay. You can work on grasping the legs early, but there is no point in moving them into place if he's just going to move them again. I see people doing this a lot and it's frustrating for the owner, the dog, and for me watching. (of course I did the exact same thing with my first dog.)
     
    When you are ready to place the legs, it is important to grasp them up high. The front legs at the elbow. With the rear, start just below the stifle and slide your hand down just far enough to get some control.
     
    Good luck and let us know how it goes.
    • Bronze
    Do you show your dog astaracheetah? Stacking is a stance that a dog is in while being examined by a show judge.
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    I agree with Samshine.  We started with stationary stands and moving stands in obedience class.  We also did the "Stand for Exam" practise there too.
     
    Once we started going to conformation class, he was already familiar with the concept of "stand stay" and then it was just treats and moving feet to the right spot.  Getting him to hold it while someone checked him over was a little tougher since it's a little more "invasive" than an exam in obed.  He's not "free stacking" yet but I can get him to hold it for a longer period now. [:D]
     
    I use a LOT of food in conf. class.  I treat him the whole way through.  The main reason we go is so that he sees different dogs and has different people touching him but also for me.  It's fun!
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    Max  also had no idea what I wanted him to do when I tried this, and kept plopping his butt back on the ground. What I did was use a clicker and click when he was already standing. I believe it was Roscoe's Mom who said she did this.  Once he understood that standing was something he could get a treat for, I started teaching it and asking for it, and he got the idea much better. 
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    You've gotten some good advice already on hard stacking. I personally prefer to free stack my dogs and use a lot of signals (my body movement) and leash movement to get the desired stack I want from my dogs.
     
    Here is Teddy who just started "show" training last night, he is 5 months old and has not had a show lead on until last night. DH has been walking him with a Lupine collar and extend a lead for his confidence and it was time to start reeling him in and getting him to do what I will need him to do when he begins showing. He was doing so well I got my son to get some shots of him so we could send to his breeder so I'll share them here too. Also no bait has been used in this work ...he is all attitude
     
     
     



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    No, I won't be showing him... I can't.  He's not up to standard and he's going to be neutered later.

    I just want to teach him this (among other things) because it's just something good to know, and a great way to get pictures of a dog (it's MUCH easier if they'll pose for you! lmao).

    I also prefer free-stacking.  I don't like to be in the picture messing with the dog lmao...

    When I get home I'll read the rest of this thread (I'm at work so only skimmed).  >^_^<

    Just for kicks, here's his first ever stack, however crappy it may be (combination of him not being entirely still and my boyfriend totally sucking at taking pictures... the camera was like 4-5 feet ABOVE Shippo) >9.9<  He's 15 weeks old.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Oh too CUTE!!!!!!!
     
    Looks like you've got it going on!!!
     
    Now keep in mind although, not standard and neutered you can still do rally and regular OB [;)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well I wasn't planning on doing those, but I did want to do agility, although it wouldn't involve any stacking.

    What do you do in rally?  Isn't that fairly new-ish?  I don't know a whole lot about it.  >o.o<
     
    I'm going to practice more tonight and try to get a better one
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    Clicking for a freestack has worked marvelously for Star.