Is Clicker Training for Real???

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    Is Clicker Training for Real???

    For those of you who know of my story from the "aggression" category here, you know of my recently adopted shelter dog, Murphy (a terrier/lab mix), who bit my niece, who is 4, in the face about 8 weeks ago. He's a fearful dog who is disabled, too, and was cornered (literally, he was in a corner) on that fateful day so he bit to get her away and to get away himself.
     
    I've been debating writing up an update to the aggressiive catetory since it seems we never get updates there, but I feel safer here for now. Not brave enough yet. Still feeling vulnerable and really really crappy about it all. Really blaming myself and somedays I struggle to move beyond it. I'm obsessed and stressed about it all the time. Very much aware of what I didn't do on that fateful day.
     
    Aside from me, I've enrolled Murphy in a new training class--Clicker Training! It's a miracle for him. It really is. He caught on in seconds and his recall is currently about 80-85%. He is gladly sitting for everything, even without the clicker (like if I happen to not have it on me, but I'm learning to keep it on me and click for things all day and all night), and he is really tuning into me, even when he's feeling nervous or afraid. He's amazing and so is his ability to concentrate.
     
    We're very close to eliminating some of his triggers, but I realize that will take time. He doesn't bark at people when they come in the door, and I am able to finally take strong note of his cues--great with people 10 ft away, OK at 5 ft, nervous at 3 ft or less. Better outside with people than in. Am trying to get into our city's great behaviorist, but the waiting list is long so I am doing the clicker training and am thoroughly enjoying it. (No kids allowed in my house right now and nobody who's feeling negative around Murphy is, either.)
     
    Things are working out well for us. Not as well between my sister and me (she would still prefer I would do the PTS thing, but that's not going to happen since I'm earnestly working to change things). Unfortunatetly, she is accusing him of doing far more than he did and she isn't really speaking to me right now. So, the situation is what it is.
     
    After starting it, I see that clicker training has gotten just as many negative knocks as leash-correction training butm, boy, do I enjoy watching my dog WANT to do things instead of feeling compelled to do things. I wish that Ellie had learned this way. She still could, of course, but she isn't very fond of the clicker--she is very used to my voice. (I used voice and treats for her and leash-corrrection for a dog I had 10 years ago.)
     
    One thing that I've learned through the clicker methods (and Pat Miller, wonderful soul that she is, along with Patricia McConnell, Donaldson, and Pryor) is a calmer, more positive way to relate to humans, too. It's OK to ignore or play down negative behaviors while focusing/rewarding the positive. It's been so enjoyable.
     
    There are several levels of clicker training and I hope to hit them all here.
     
    My biggest issue, however, is my clumsiness! It was really hard at first, and can be at times, for me to organize myself, my body language, my voice, my tone, my command, my clicker, and the treats.
     
    Whew! Talk about keeping me on my toes! There should be a class for slow-reflex people like me.
     
    More updates to follow.
     
    Nancy (and Murphy and Ellie, too, even if she is weird about the beloved clicker)
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    Nancy, it sounds like you've made some really fantastic progress with Murphy.  Congratulations! I'm sure your sister will come around when she realizes what a great dog Murphy is turning out to be.[:)]

    Joyce
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    Thanks for these comments, and thanks, too, for the comments on Berkely the Bassett. Oh my  but it was good to take him home. I taught him a couple of things but I know my sister (different sister) won't work with him so that's that.
     
    Poor guy. Poor me--I am STILL finding his "slobber" on my walls and I'm still washing it out!
     
    [:D]
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    Nancy,
     
    I am so glad you're seeing results!  I too found it hard to juggle everything in my hands and get myself organised, so I thought I'd share what finally worked really well for me.  I have an old money belt left over from a holiday, which I wear around my waist to keep Ben's treats in while we're training.  That keeps my hands free and I don't need to dig in my jeans pockets or a handbag or whatever to get them.  Second, I have a clicker on a string, which I highly recommend if you can find one.  I thread the belt of the money pouch through the string on the clicker, so my clicker hangs at my waist, right next to his treats.  That leaves my hands free for body language AND I don't get my hands/clicker/treats tangled up with Ben's leash.  It's so much easier now to click right at the precise second of the desired behavior.  Maybe this setup would work for you too?
     
    Kate
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    Hey great that you are finding clicker training so positive!

    I hardly ever use a clicker--I use a marking word like good or yes. I can't juggle everything either. This works well!

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    That's wonderful! I'm so glad to hear that Murphy is responding so well - and just as importantly that you are enjoying it. By the way, as fisher indicated, you can still use clicker training methods with Ellie without using the clicker - just use a verbal marker with her instead. I'm sorry you're still having trouble with your sister but hopefully like Joyce said she will come around eventually.
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    Oops, I'm so going to be late for work today!
     
    Thanks for the replies! I hope Murphy can come through this. I hate that his long-term previous home did this to him. He and Ellie are littermates and she is so different from him. I think he learns from her, but his fears are still something else. Still, last night I walked him, after writing here, and in a quiet area, I took off his leash and he was perfect--totally paying attention to my (quiet) voice and the clicker--but of course that magica want, the clicker. Of course, we had no distractions but the night before last I clicked when he was walking good through distractions. It really helped.
     
    Here's my worrywort question: Ellie has been through intermediate obedience and now does Rally (novice girl, still).
     
    Will doing the clicker training with her confuse her? I worry because I started her out with a leash correction trainer--very bad feelings and one crappy crappy incident--and then moved to treat/voice training and I worry that I'll confuse her.
     
    Thoughts?
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    no. It may take a little longer for her to catch on and start offering behaviors (correction-based methods of training tend to suppress dogs from offering behaviors out of fear of being corrected), but she will get it and not be confused and her attitude will improve.
     
    I don't know how people who know anything about clicker training can be against it. I used to use a lot of corrections in training, and then I watched a demo with an experienced clicker-trained dog. The trainer and dog didn't know each other. No collar or leash. In matter of minutes they had shaped that dog to do some really complicated and difficult behaviors. And the joy in the dog's eyes. It really made an impression on me.
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    Mudpuppy--I know! I am a believer. One of the things I never considered was that Murphy probably couldn't understand me. I work all the time on my voice inflections but the measurement of my success is how I'm getting through or not to him. I got razzed at work for clicker training but I tell you--it works.
     
    Somebody (a positive person) came over the other night and clicked with Murphy. She wasn't totally doing things in perfect beat, but you know what? He got it and it worked.
     
    It's great. I have no idea how he'll get weaned off--that's another set of classes--but right now--who cares? He's done swell, has learned a lot (and has much better control over himself) and I'm so happy with him.
     
    Once Ellie gets the hang of it--I'm sure she'll love it. No pressure, no hype, El, just hear the click as you do something and get a treat. Poor baby learning leash corrections as an adolescent. It affected her, I'm sure, even if I used treats after that stint.
     
    (Now if I could just forgive myself and move beyond The Bite life sure would be more pleasant!)
     
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    Yeah! The behaviorist comes on Sept 15 and we'll be setting ourselves up for the next level of the Clicker training very soon. He's doing very well and is really throwing GOOD behaviors my way just in case I have a clicker and a treat handy.
     
    Good boy. The behaviorist spent some time talking to me today and he thinks I'm doing a swell job with Murphy so far.
     
    Whew. We'll be heading into some heavy work soon, but for now--that was a boost. [:)]
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    Nancy--

    I'm so glad to hear that Murphy is doing so well!! And I'm glad you found a method that's working for you! I think it's so important to be open to different forms of training to find what your dog is most responsive to. Because, like with people, dogs are motivated by different things, and you really want your dog's "buy in" on the training to make it effective.

    I'm also so glad to hear that Murphy is doing better with expanding his comfort level distance...just think, you're okay at five feet now, before you know it, you'll be at three, or two feet. In time, I believe you'll be doing successful outdoor meet and greets, and eventually you'll work yourself up to indoor socializing. I have great faith in you and Murphy!

    It sounds like you're doing great overall, and the meeting with the behaviorist is also terrific news! And he's right about you doing a swell job -- you are making AWESOME strides, so please stop beating yourself up over a single bad moment in the past. You and your dog are working toward great things, and Murphy may even teach Ellie a thing or two in the process!

    Keep us updated -- we all so enjoy hearing about Murphy's continued successes!!

    Jan