2 month old Siberian, please help before its too late!

Before it's too late?  What does THAT mean?
 
Lets see....you have this 8 week old infant that you have had for 3 days, you won't crate train her and from what I'm reading the only place she is peeing that you don't like is on the newspapers on the kitchen floor?
 
I guess I'm not seeing a major problem with that.  When I foster a litter I set up an ex pen attached to a giant crate and provide the newspapers FOR them to pee on or poop at nap or night time.  As they get older I eliminate the paper altogether and expect them to potty outside.  Haven't had a problem with transitioning yet.
 
At this age, the pup still needs to be fed 3-4 times per day.  You should NOT withhold water between meals.  Pups can dehydrate very quickly and need constant access to fresh clean water.  Overnite is debatable, but I always leave water for babies overnite.
 
This is how I housetrain and I'm working with multiple pups at a time.  When I can't watch them and give them 100% of my attention they are in the exercise pen.  When they come out, they go directly outside. I go with them.  I tell them "go potty" and when they do, I throw a party for the GOOOOOD potty.  I make sure that outside time isn't just for pottying, that they have time to play as well, and when I do see someone potty without prompting, I always praise for that again.  If someone makes a mistake in the house, there is no punishment.  It's MY mistake for not watching them closely enough.  If I happen to see someone squat, I'm up, snatching up the pup in a towel with a GENTLE, unh, uh, we go POTTY OUTSIDE, run them outside, put them down and tell them NOW go potty...again throw a party if they do.  And I make a point of cleaning up when they are NOT in eyeshot.  Mom on the floor with paper towels looks like a fun game.
 
Your pup is a baby.  Growing is hard work and he needs to sleep a lot.  The best thing to do is have the kids leave him be...soon enough he'll want to be playing with them a lot, but right now, they need to wait for him to come to them for play.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Before it's too late?  What does THAT mean?

Lets see....you have this 8 week old infant that you have had for 3 days, you won't crate train her and from what I'm reading the only place she is peeing that you don't like is on the newspapers on the kitchen floor?

 
 
well, what i meant is that i dont want her to "go" in the house period.  id like for her to know that she should go outside and now inside.


 

ORIGINAL: glenmar
This is how I housetrain and I'm working with multiple pups at a time.  When I can't watch them and give them 100% of my attention they are in the exercise pen.  When they come out, they go directly outside. I go with them.  I tell them "go potty" and when they do, I throw a party for the GOOOOOD potty.  I make sure that outside time isn't just for pottying, that they have time to play as well, and when I do see someone potty without prompting, I always praise for that again.  If someone makes a mistake in the house, there is no punishment.  It's MY mistake for not watching them closely enough.  If I happen to see someone squat, I'm up, snatching up the pup in a towel with a GENTLE, unh, uh, we go POTTY OUTSIDE, run them outside, put them down and tell them NOW go potty...again throw a party if they do.  And I make a point of cleaning up when they are NOT in eyeshot.  Mom on the floor with paper towels looks like a fun game.

Your pup is a baby.  Growing is hard work and he needs to sleep a lot.  The best thing to do is have the kids leave him be...soon enough he'll want to be playing with them a lot, but right now, they need to wait for him to come to them for play.

 
thanks for the help.. everything all you guys have to say will be taken into heart!!  i just want to make sure i train her correctly..
 
so let see, as of right now, this is my plan..
 
can i take her outside frequently for walks and just to play as a puppy to learn she should be going outside?  i guess i should hold some treats in my pocket to reward and praise during the walks... 
 
any suggestions?

What about Crate Training does not appeal to you.  Let me tell you it has been a lifesaver for us.  I have 3 sibes.  Without the crate I have to worry about shoes, clothes, furniture, kitchen cupboards, the walls, and most importantly the dogs.  A puppy can chew out an electrical socket and kill itself in a relatively short period of time.  The can also swallow things you would not believe and choke to death.  Aside from making your pup safe, it can make her feel safe.  It can give her a place to hide from the children she doesn't want to play with at the moment.  And that may give her the confidence she needs to play with them. 

I agree with Glenda, don't limit her water intake.  She can become dehydrated very quickly.  Is she 8 weeks old?  If so she needs to eat more often than 2 times a day.

Praise her heavily when she does "go" on walks.  Go crazy and make a big deal out of it. Give her treats whatever.  When she pees on the newspaper, do nothing.  Its boring to go on the paper but oh so much fun to pee outside.  Eventually eliminate the paper and as soon as she starts to look for it, take her outside.  You can even put a bell by the door and swat her paw at it when you go out so she will learn that when the bell dings she goes outside.  Good luck. 

Now pay the fee.  She needs some pics posted!!!

also, in general, how long after they eat should i take them outside?  ive been hearing about 30 minutes, but this morning kalua had gone maybe twice during the night (she ate late, around 9pm) and she ate breakfast (7am) and still hasnt had to go by noon time..  i just need to know generally around when i should walk her after she eats..

It really depends on the individual puppy.  You'll learn her timing if you pay attention.

Welcome to the board! May I ask why you are against crate training?
 
I didnt do crate training until I got Lizzie, my Collie. I would leave her in the room for the night and when it was morning, had she made a mess! There would be poop and pee and shredded stuff all over the place, and she even got as far as making a hole in my portable closet so she could sleep in there!
 
I had her for about a week and a half without a crate and I was at my wits end so I went out and bought her a crate and she slept there like she had lived all her life!
 
Now Im not saying your pup will take to the crate that easily, but it will definately help with house training because dogs do not like to mess where they sleep so anytime you are not with her she will be in her crate and will be accident free

the only problem i have with crate training is that (correct me if im wrong) you have to buy a crate thats just a bit bigger than the dog itself... and since its still a puppy, i dont want to have to buy like 5 different crates in a 1 year period..
 
i also didnt like the idea of confinement for a puppy.. like, to have them caged.. i just thought it would be real sad =/
 
but i mean if its as effective as everyone here says, would anyone be able to recommend a good resource for crate training?

heres the only pic i have off hand of her right now .
 
 
 

She's a cutie all right.
 
Buy a crate that is large enough for her to use as an adult.  Get the dividers and keep the useable area down the her size.  The biggie is not giving her enough room to pee/poop and be able to "get away" from it.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

She's a cutie all right.

Buy a crate that is large enough for her to use as an adult.  Get the dividers and keep the useable area down the her size.  The biggie is not giving her enough room to pee/poop and be able to "get away" from it.

 
thanks
 
can you point me somewhere with a good explanation of crate training?

Hi Banky-
 
I'm so glad that you are open to the idea of crate training!  This section of the forum is a great resourse for it.  I suggest you start reading old threads because just about every one of them deals with crate training and housebreaking and various problems and questions related to same.  Here's a link to a blurb on crate training (it's aimed at working retriever folks and not exactly what I'd do, i.e. the treat stuff, but you'll get the gist of it).  [linkhttp://www.retrievertraining.net/crate/kennel.htm]http://www.retrievertraining.net/crate/kennel.htm[/link]
 
As far as buying multiple crates goes, you really don't need to.  You can get the wire crates with divider panels that you can adjust as the pup grows up.  You simply buy the size he'd need as an adult dog and buy the divider panel and keep making the crate bigger as necessary.  Here's a link to the ones that dog.com sells: [linkhttp://www.dog.com/family.asp?SKW=div_05,DOG,folding&Category=Dog%20Crates]http://www.dog.com/family.asp?SKW=div_05,DOG,folding&Category=Dog%20Crates[/link]
 
Please think about feeding your pup more frequently and also having water available to him.  I don't leave water in crates but when a pup is out of the crate there is always water for him/her.  That is except after about 7-8pm when I take it away so it's easier for them to make it thru the night.  It's a personal preference though.   At this age your pup should be eating 3x a day.
 
I resisted the idea of a crate when I got my first puppy as an adult - only to have shoes, purses and clothing destroyed, woodwork chewed, refridgerators opened, etc.  I have totally changed my way of thinking after seeing how effective they are at keeping the pup safe and out of trouble.
 
Remember this is an 8 week old puppy.  Keep your expectations low and be patient and enjoy the cute puppy stage.
 

I am not a big fan of crating either (just my thing) but I did use a crate at night when Kobi first came home for 2 reasons. 1. He would not pee in his crate over night, so there were no accidents to wake up to in the morning. 2. I was sure he was safe and out of trouble while we slept.

By 4 months I had him confined to our mud room at night and just short of a year he had free run 24/7. Despite the fact that the mud room was no longer gated, Kobi continued to sleep there until he was 2+. Even now I quite often find him there in the morning.

Although Glenda has had no problem removing the newspaper, I know a few people who have. If you want your dog to use the outside facilities, I personally would try not to use newspaper if you can avoid it. JMHO



Good luck with your new pup - a real cutie.

PS Remember every dog is different and as you get to know yours better, I'm sure you will find the right solution for you and your dog.

I have found that young exposure to newspapers or pee pads pay off when dogs age and may have mild incontinence and not be able to make it to the door.
 
Additionally, I'm not real big on weeks of absolutely no sleep and unfortunately when you foster litters  they don't all gotta go at the same time.