"crate trained" adoptee is pouty in crate

    • Bronze

    "crate trained" adoptee is pouty in crate

    We adopted a Border Collie mix, estimated to be 1 year old, about a week ago.  From what we know of his history, he was adopted once after being found as a stray about 5 months old.  That family kept him for 2 months and crated him outside.  The crate was often used as punishment for barking.  Family #2 had him for 4 months, and we understand that they crate trained him.  He was also crated at the shelter and did great with it.
     
    He doesn't resist the crate whatsoever, goes in there quite quickly and without a bark or whine.  However, once in he cowers in the very back and seems reluctant to come out (sometimes he goes in before we get his leash off him and we need him to come out to take his leash off before bed).
     
    He is crated at night, as well as during the day if we're not home.  We're trying to make it a good thing, using treats and fun toys and whatnot.  I'm just curious if he really doesn't like it, and if so what we can do to help that situation.
     
    His crate is in the laundry room; it's the best place for it.  Hubby refuses to let him sleep in our bedroom, and having the crate anywhere else in the house is impractical due to space.  We leave the door to the laundry room open when he's in the house so he can go in there if he chooses, and sometimes he does.  However, he is currently on "house arrest" [;)] as we're umbilical cording him to help him learn the house rules and stay out of trouble.  Anyway, he'll go out to his crate and go in for a few minutes, then come back out.
     
    Should we crate him for a few minutes and then let him back out, so he knows that it's just short term, or just keep up with the treats...?  He's rarely crated when we're home; if we do crate him while we're home should we leave the door open so he can see us from his crate?
     
    Thanks, sorry this is so vague and whatnot but I'm not exactly sure how to explain what's going on with him.  He's still adjusting to us and we to him, but I want to make sure we don't do any damage since he absolutely cannot be trusted unsupervised - he's a chewer and a digger.
    • Silver
    I've got a border collie that pretty much will cower in the back of his crate and looks like he's waiting to be beaten - and I can assure you he's never been beaten, that's just he way he is in a crate.  He's happy to go in, fine in a crate for any length of time, but he looks like he's cowering a lot of the time. 
     
    Remember that border collies do not react well to someone leaning over them, so if you're leaning over the top of the crate when he's in it he's liable to cower. 
     
    He's new to your house and still settling in so I wouldn't be too concerned about his crate behavior as long as he's going in willingly and content when he's in there.  I would keep up with the treats for going in.  All of my dogs always (well, almost always) get a treat whenever they go into their crates.
     
    Good luck with him!  (have you had a border collie before and do you know what you've gotten yourself into? [;)])
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    I have a BC mix that loves her crate because it means she is getting her orbee ball stuffed with kibble.  She sees that ball in my hand and she runs into that crate- its kind of funny!
     
    Maybe hiding treats in the crate and giving your pup fun things to do in there might help.  Good luck!
    • Bronze
    agile, we haven't had a border collie before, but I had a vizsla for 15 years, so similar energy issues going on!  Sadly, our backyard isn't 100% fenced yet so we have a hard time playing out there but hubby is suposed to be finishing it early next week, hallelujah!  Then we can play more in the backyard and have to leave home less.
     
    I didn't know about standing over bcs.  Thanks for that information, that will help.
     
    luvarescue, we do give treats and toys.  Part of his problem is he seemingly doesn't know how to play.  He has a hard time playing if we're not there with him.  We have an a-Maze-n ball that we're working on getting him to figure out.  I think the fact that kibble comes pouring out of it is getting him interested!
     
    Thanks for the suggestions!
    • Silver
    Yes, standing over them, bending over them, etc. is very threatening to most dogs but border collies seen especially sensitive to it.  Squat or kneel down to their level.
     
    A dog not playing when they are on their own isn't a strange thing and border collies especially want to interact with their humans.  I only have 1 dog that will "play" on is own and that's not very often (he tosses toys around, growls, carries on like he's got an imaginary friend there...very funny)
     
    A good place to go and ask border collie related questions is the border collie boards: [linkhttp://bordercollie.heatherweb.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi]http://bordercollie.heatherweb.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi[/link]  there's an intro sticky in the General Border Collie Discussion section.
     
    Can you post a picture?