BUNNI! Litter help

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    BUNNI! Litter help

    I am in desperate need of advice. I have posted in the earlier months when I first got my chi/malt/zue mix and got some really great advice. I still read these boards often and am what you would call a “lurker”.  Well, my puppy is now seven months. I have been trying to litter train her and am still having trouble. I know that my biggest mistake has been giving her too much freedom before she was reliable and I have now started watching her every second that she is not in her crate. I wanted to know if someone (bunni maybe?) could review what I am doing and correct what I am doing wrong. Here is my situation, and I haven#%92t changed it since I got her:  I have a large crate with her litter box in it. I am at work during the day (8 hours).  I leave her in the crate over night and while I#%92m at work.  I take her to the crate to go potty every ½-1 hour and tell her “go potty”. She will always go, but I think she only goes a little to please me, so that explains why she may have an “accident” 15 minutes later.  So she knows where and when she is supposed to go, but she doesn#%92t know where she is NOT supposed to go. I have a small, one story, 900sq ft condo so it#%92s not that the box is too far away. When I#%92m in the other room with her I will take her back to her crate to “go potty” I should also mention that when I#%92m at my parents house I have to take her outside and she knows that it#%92s ok to go outside and will go as soon as we go out BUT she will still have accidents in their house.  For the first 2-3 months I wouldn#%92t say anything when she had an accident, just pick her up and put her in the box and had her go but now I will give her a sharp “NO!” because I don#%92t think she is getting it (never hit or punish her).
    I think I might be confusing her because she is expected to eat, sleep, and potty in the same crate BUT want to leave a box in the crate b/c I#%92m gone for so long during the day. I feel like I have 3 options: 1) just keep trying this and stay patient 2) give up on litter box altogether and just have her learn to go outside 3)getting a second litter box and train her to use that one as well (maybe I will have more luck with a box outside the crate).   Oh, and I DO praise her and treat her every time she goes in the right spot and clean all her accidents with PETASTIC. She isn#%92t afraid to potty in front of me in the house but often times I find the accidents in the other room (of course this is my fault for not watching her).
    I really am thinking of giving up on the whole litter thing. I do remember that Brenda, who has four litter trained dogs, often said that they all continue to have accidents every once in a while. I don#%92t want ANY accidents (although I realize that I am no where near that stage yet). But if she is considered an “expert” on this and her dogs still have accidents, maybe the whole think won#%92t work.So thank you in advance for your advice, I#%92m really sorry this is so long. She is going to obedience class next month.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Loriann, I think this is what you need to do:
     
    3)getting a second litter box and train her to use that one as well (maybe I will have more luck with a box outside the crate).

     
    When I am litter training pups I've found that as soon as they are old enough to get a clue, they stop wanting to use the litterbox in their crate. This is before 8 weeks old. My take on it is that they are now seeing their crate as their den and do not want to soil the den. They will use the litter box in the crate if they have to (if they can't get out of the crate) but they will almost never go into the crate to use it if they are outside of it.
     
    Put another litter box outside of the crate and get her to use that one a few times (watch like a hawk!) until she gets it.
     
    There is one other thing you have to keep in mind. If you restrain the pup in the kitchen (for example) and her box is there and she uses it 100% of the time you will think she is trained and let her into other rooms where she will have accidents. Pups (and dogs) do not generalize information so while you're thinking she's trained she's thinking "When I'm in the kitchen I use the litter box. When I'm not in the kitchen there is no rule."  You need to give her a new bit of training every time she is allowed in a different room. (This doesn't take nearly as long - maybe only a day or two, if you prompt her to go back to the box with you from the other room.) Do this with each new room and at some point she will get the idea that no matter where she is she will use the box.
     
    I can't speak for Brenda's dogs but I can tell you that it is a very rare dog in my experience who will not become 100% trained. This is especially true if you only have one dog (because you always know who did it). It's also more likely that a person will have a dog who is not 100% if they are not as demanding. (My house for example is completely set up for dogs, no rugs and almost no upholstery so if a dog pees or poops in my house it is not a big deal. As a result I may be more lax (and especially since I have a dozen dogs plus litters of pups often, so it's hard to tell who did it). Any dog who you are consistently working on training will get it eventually. I expect a dog to be 100% by around a year old. Some of them are 100% by a couple of months old. My Jack has never had an accident (that I know of) since he was 9 weeks old - UNTIL I let him run around the other end of the house (where as I mentioned earlier, I had not established the rules for him).
     
    Toy dogs are harder to train - I have no idea why. (Maybe it's because they don't have Great Dane sized poop). Litter box training is easier than outside training (I think) but takes more consistency. Remember to restrict freedom and watch every minute (that's impossible I know but that's the goal) and especially when you introduce her to a new room.
     
    Good luck!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Lor I emailed Bunni for you,
    • Gold Top Dog
    oh there she is we must have been on the same time duh
     
    • Bronze
    Thank you for the help bunni and Debv55!  I will get a new box today. I'm assuming it's ok to keep the box in the crate for during the day as well? So she will have two boxes. And I will pick myself up some extra patience as well. Thanks again!