Now the little one is growling......

Its called resource guarding, i.e. underwear, couch, etc,,, nip this now or you will have another Duke on your hands. Restrict access to the couch, bed. Make her work for priviliges.Because she is this young, show her she doesn't run the show.

Thanks tiffy,

Usually when she growls (except for the time with the underwear), she is just lying on the ground. What do I do then????

Now I'm nervous!

Edited to add: She is really small,so she has restricted access to everything. She can't jump up on the couch or bed., we have to help her up.

Where is she laying on the ground, by a bone,, a toy, anything? I ask this because my corgi would lay in front of the dog door and growl at the other dog when he would try to go out. I thought she was resource guarding the door, but then a light came on. She was guarding the dog food. it was in a tub next to the door. DUH. So look around, it could be anything.

I didn't catch how young (old) she is.  But guarding their resting area is part of dominance.  Having the prime sleeping area is an Alpha position.  Continue with NILIF and try to lure her away when she is acting dominate on her spot.  Then reward her for  coming to you.  If it is a bed she is resting on remove it.   Just because they are small dosen't mean they can't be bucking for their position and it also dosen't mean that you allow her previliges when they are not deserved.  Follow NILIF just as you are with Duke.  As soon as she realizes who is in charge I think you will see success in her too.  I commend you for keeping up with the program and turning your dogs around. 

Luvmyswissy, Daisy is almost 14 weeks old. She seems too young to allready be like this! Oh well, I think she is just seeing how far she can push her limits.

Tiffy, I didn't pay attention to see if there was a toy around, I will have to watch that next time.

She can't jump up on the couch or bed., we have to help her up.

Stop helping her up, you are placing her in a position of power.  She needs to be in her crate or on the floor.  The types of privleges like being on the couch that you put your dog on for doing nothing are the things they should be earning and working for. 

If she growls when he is lying on the floor, say, "no, no" (or some other words with similar meaning, not yelling) and re-direct his attention to something else.  Like call her to you and make her sit then praise for that.  I've recently learned you don't want to discourage the growl. 

I don't want to sound mean or for this to come out like something it's not but it seems like you guys are way to easy and they are taking advantage of you.  I've been there so I can see it.

Do you think that she is just testing her limits?

 
Yup.  Fourteen weeks is not too young for them to do this.  NILIF with her, too, and no couch or bed privileges, etc. until she is reliably doing as you ask every single time.  Just curious, have you been to classes with either dog?  If not, you may want to try it - these problems are addressed in basic classes.
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Thanks guys,
 
Willowchow - you are right, I think that we can be too easy on them.  I think this must have been where I went wrong with Duke.  I just assumed that at 14 weeks we could bring her up on the couch with us. 
 
She is being crated and we are practicing NILIF with her... so hopefully she will learn her limits. 
 
Spiritdogs - Yes, we have had Duke in a number of different classes.  Daisy has not yet had all of her shots and my vet recommended that she not start classes yet.  (she gets the last of her shots in a couple of weeks). 
 
Thank you for the response.

Generally you have to be even firmer and more disciplined with puppies than you do with adults. Teach them manners now while you can. And try to avoid physically moving a dog. Pretend your uppy is one day going to magically transform into an 800-pound siberian tiger and deal with the puppy on that basis (you'd never let a tiger jump up on you, never let a tiger drag you around by the leash,  and you'd never try to physically drag a tiger off the bed, now would you?)  Take the opportunity to practice your recall instead.

Hi - just read your post and am concerned that both of your dogs, current and new have aggression problems - are you being too indulgent with them.  Dogs can start to feel very important if we allow them to do everything they want - (don't we all) - you mut not do this - you have to be a loving, but firm dog owner.   If you are not sure about this, please consult an experienced trainer (have one come to your home and see you interacct with your pooches).  You need to change some things for your own safety and for the dogs well being.  I don't mean to be harsh, so please don't take this message that way.

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Hi - just read your post and am concerned that both of your dogs, current and new have aggression problems - are you being too indulgent with them.  Dogs can start to feel very important if we allow them to do everything they want - (don't we all) - you mut not do this - you have to be a loving, but firm dog owner.   If you are not sure about this, please consult an experienced trainer (have one come to your home and see you interacct with your pooches).  You need to change some things for your own safety and for the dogs well being.  I don't mean to be harsh, so please don't take this message that way.

 
Thank you for the response....
 
I know that I have been too indulgent with my dogs.  That is why I (and the dogs) are now on NILIF.  I have learned so much since being a part of this forum.  Every day I battle with myself in regards to the dogs.  I love them so much and have the tendency to let things go.  But I am trying & learning.  My eldest dog, Duke, has come soooooo far in such a short period of time.  Just a few weeks ago I wrote the topic "at the end of my rope..." and now I feel like we are on our way out.  We have had our set backs, but the attacking has diminished greatly! 
 
I know now where I made the mistake with Duke.  When he was a puppy (just as I am doing with Daisy), he was so little I would just let him do whatever he wanted.  Now that I know where I went wrong, hopefully I can get on top of it with Daisy and not have the same problems. 
 
Thank you all for the responses.... I really needed this to realize what I need to do.[]

Daisy has not yet had all of her shots and my vet recommended that she not start classes yet.

 
I have to say, respectfully, that I disagree with most vets on this.  The problem is that, if you wait, dogs develop manipulative behaviors very quickly, and it is hard for some pet owners to get a handle on reversing this.  My training center takes pups at 8 weeks, and we have great results and have had no problems.  However, we do realize that there is always a risk of illness - I just think that more dogs are euthanized due to behavioral issues than get sick at puppy class. 
I'm really glad that you are trying so hard to do preventive training with Daisy.  Keep up the good work and stick around!  Someday we'll be laughing at the title of this thread when Duke gets a CGC LOL!
 

Keep up the good work and stick around!  Someday we'll be laughing at the title of this thread when Duke gets a CGC LOL!

First of all thank you so much for the support.

I feel like a complete idiot right now, but what is CGC???? I know it is probably something really simple minded.... [sm=crazy.gif]

CGC stands for canine good citizen. Dugan took this class when he was six mths old and passed with flying colors. He had to learn to heel, sit, stay, come, accept being petted by a stranger, walk through a crowd, meet other dogs on lead, separation and reaction to distractions. They actually have a person observe you and score you and your dog before passing or failing you. This is an AKC program. Maddie like Daisy has found her voice. She is now barking at things outside and has become very aggressive with Dugan during their play times. She has never growled at me, but you can tell she is maturing quickly. She is learning a few basic commands like sit, lie down and come. I can even get her to shake hands and roll over once in awhile. Sounds like Duke is getting better. Did you see a behaviorist? Seems like whatever you are doing with the NILIF is working.