mastering the walk

espence!
Thank you, but I cannot get adobe flashplayer for my computer. I cannot view that. I just tried.
Can you find it on youtube?
Is that the pit bull Emily?

What was the very last thing CM said in the video?  I played it twice and could not hear.  Did he say "thats why I did not stop the walk" or "that why I stopped the walk"?  The lesson was to read the dog signals and redirect or correct before behavior starts.  The dog fight started because CM did not expect or read the "strong dog" signals?  It seem there was big revelation at the end, what was it?

ORIGINAL: DPU

"thats why I did not stop the walk"

That what he said
 

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

espence!
Thank you, but I cannot get adobe flashplayer for my computer. I cannot view that. I just tried.
Can you find it on youtube?
Is that the pit bull Emily?

 
No is not Emily, i didnt find the same video on youtube but i found a similar one, this dog is aggressive towards a motorcycle (instead of a dog) i know is not the same but you gan get some ideas from it
 
[linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQKoR6sGjc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQKoR6sGjc[/link]

Espencer, the key to your method is advanced work of making the dog "totally calm" and the added task for the dog to learn and know when you want totally calm.  Once this accomplished then everything going forward is easy.  So I understand what you mean when you say you can accomplish this in a day's time.  I afraid to tell you how long it took for the hound to learn that he has to sit and be still before going through a doorway.  It took 3 times as long for the hound to learn that he has to be calm when I approach his kennel, otherwise he does not get out of the kennel.  So, what is the secret for calm state in a dog?

ORIGINAL: espencer

I dont think that a link that comes from a clicker training webpage is too reliable to learn about dominance behavior, is like going to a Christian webpage to learn about Buddhism []

Using the search button you will find tons and tons of threads in this forum about dominance, seen from both sides, not just one, here is a good one:

[linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=228507]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=228507[/link]

 
Any website can be reliable for learning about any behavior so long as they have reliable sources. If you were to read the article located at the link I shared you would find that the information is based on a thirty year study -- nineteen of which focused on behavior in a dog pack -- erformed by Dr. Beach. For those interested in dog behavior the link may be of interest to them.
 
Thanks for taking the time to share the link to the thread, though I am not interested in reading opinions on this particular subject. []

ORIGINAL: DPU

Espencer, the key to your method is advanced work of making the dog "totally calm" and the added task for the dog to learn and know when you want totally calm.  Once this accomplished then everything going forward is easy.  So I understand what you mean when you say you can accomplish this in a day's time.  I afraid to tell you how long it took for the hound to learn that he has to sit and be still before going through a doorway.  It took 3 times as long for the hound to learn that he has to be calm when I approach his kennel, otherwise he does not get out of the kennel.  So, what is the secret for calm state in a dog?

Body lenguage; stand still, hand on your waist, you can do like CM and make a noise like if you want someone to be quiet in a library "sssssssshhhhhhh", the dog does not even has to sit really but that helps some people to realize is working, wait 3 or 4 seconds, if you feel you need to make the same sound again then do it (i never have to do it more than twice), the dog will realize that you are waiting for something to happen so automaticly he will wait for you to see what do you want, some dogs even sit down while "waiting", once you see the dog is relaxed because he is waiting for you (and when i mean relaxed i mean you know he is really waiting for you) then you can proceed, proceed to put the leash on, to start walking, etc. if the dog goes back to exciting mode you do the same excersice again, after a couple tries the dog learns that to make things happen he need to be relaxed (a twisted way of click and treat, "click" would be become relaxed and "treat" would be doing the next expected thing)

I found a video that shows how to start with it, (this guy posted 26 different videos from the show on youtube)

[linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFKfqrlHnDc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFKfqrlHnDc[/link]
 
And this is a different dog during the walk, (this dog is afraid instead of pulling but the concept is a little bit similar)
 
[linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpi8707WItc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpi8707WItc[/link]

ORIGINAL: Tilt

Any website can be reliable for learning about any behavior so long as they have reliable sources. If you were to read the article located at the link I shared you would find that the information is based on a thirty year study -- nineteen of which focused on behavior in a dog pack -- erformed by Dr. Beach. For those interested in dog behavior the link may be of interest to them.

I would have to disagree there, not every website is reliable, studies can be made but depends if your see the glass half full of half empty, if you have a predisposition to see the glass half empty once you start your study then thats how you will write about it, i can also give you links from people that have been writing books and looking dog's behavior  for more than 20 years and get the totally opposite of that statement

People read what they want to read, people post in their webpages what they think goes with their way to see things, clicker trainers are not fans of dominance theory and if they find a reading that they like they will post it, i bet they have been reading the opposite but of course they are not going to promote that point of view

"If you really know the right technique"

Just an idea, and I couldn't do it myself because I don't own a video camera, but if those of you who do know the right technique could get it on youtube like Kim MacMillan did (clicker thread - Kim's dog putting away his toys), maybe there wouldn't be such skepticism that this works for the average person's dog/  Any takers?

Excellent idea Anne!

Wait.
In that second video he's talking about the dog and her two breeds.
He's actually talking about the dog's breed.

I've never heard Cesar take into account that much, a dog's breed.
I thought breed did not make a difference to him?

ORIGINAL: espencer
 
this is what i do:

If he gets out the house while being excited then the entire walk will be that way, it does not matter what kind of leash you use, is how you walk the dog, you have to make sure that your dog is totally calm:

1.-When you grab the leash ready to go out
2.-When you put the leash on
3.-When you walk towards the door
4.-When you open the door
5.-When you cross the door

You can ask him to sit down but that does not mean he is 100% calm, he can be seated and excited, especially when the door is open you have to make sure the dog is seated and calm, if you give just one single step to go out and the dog changes from dr. Jekyll to Mr Hyde right away and pass you by to go out then you have to get into the house and try again, remember, he has to be calm, calm, and more calm, at one moment you will start walking to go outside the door and he will be looking at you like for "permission" to do it too, also once you both are at the other side of the door he has to be calm and waiting for you to close the door, repeat the process once the door is closed and ready to walk, some dogs think that some rules only apply inside the house but they think outside is different,  before starting the walk make sure he looks at you for "permission" to start walking outside, he can not pass you by because he will start pulling, if you have a short leash it will be better for him to realize that he is not allowed to pull, if you give him one inch of "freedom" he will look for two inches

I use this technique will all my friend's dog's and they cant believe they are not pulling me, it sounds like if it takes a long period of time if i write it, but the excersice does not take you more than 10 seconds inside the house and another 10 outside and ready to start the walk

I write "permission" like that not because you have to order him and he has to listen like a soldier, no, he will look at you and will start getting what you are trying to say "well if i pull she ask me to sit down, so i will wait to see what does she do first and i will start little by little to avoid any mistakes"

I have find outthat if i tie the leash to my waist then the leght of the leash will be always the same, if i just hold it with my hand then when they pull they will get extra inches of freedom because my whole arm is moving foward

Basicly that is my technique, some people dont like it because they rather to have their dogs smelling all they want while walking, i dont, i let them sniff untill the walk is over (and they still have the same amount of "smelling time")

 
Thanks espencer. Good points on keeping an eye on the excitement factor.
 
There are quite a few pointers which can be picked up by watching Cesar's show too. Body language , demeanor, and also how he doesn't do a lot of talking to the dog. It really has a lot to do with us doesn't it?
 
I found a real good break down given by someone who went to Linn Boyke for help with her dog. Linn studied with Cesar. This gives a few step-by-step details to help start out right. The info is near the bottom of the page in this thread:
 
[linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=298233&mpage=3&key]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=298233&mpage=3&key[/link]=
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

Wait.
In that second video he's talking about the dog and her two breeds.
He's actually talking about the dog's breed.

I've never heard Cesar take into account that much, a dog's breed.
I thought breed did not make a difference to him?

 
It does. He just starts with "dog", then "breed", and then "personality".
 
I would think this is mostly to educate the owners and to get the humans to stop focusing on the dog's personality (first) and humanizing them before understanding the areas which all dogs have in common. Then he covers the skills it was bred for resulting in breed specifics so that the dog's "breed" needs are also fulfilled and understood. And then finally the individual dog's personality.

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

"If you really know the right technique"

Just an idea, and I couldn't do it myself because I don't own a video camera, but if those of you who do know the right technique could get it on youtube like Kim MacMillan did (clicker thread - Kim's dog putting away his toys), maybe there wouldn't be such skepticism that this works for the average person's dog/  Any takers?

 
Great idea indeed, i dont have a videocamera either and even if i do i dont know how to post it on internet, i think you need a video-audio card in your computer to plug the videocamera to the computer and i definitly dont have one []

Just an idea too, but how about the opposite.  I video Marvin the Hound on a walk and you all comment why this would be the wrong technique.  If time permits this weekend and I have help, I can create a video.

ORIGINAL: DPU

Just an idea too, but how about the opposite.  I video Marvin the Hound on a walk and you all comment why this would be the wrong technique.  If time permits this weekend and I have help, I can create a video.

 
Thats great too!!!! each one can comment on it, just remember to start taping even before you let the dog know that you are going out []

Drats! I need a new computer! []