CM, his pack, and their relationship.

ORIGINAL: ron2

I give the man credit for what he does, if it means saving difficult dogs that have no future, and maybe they don't get to cuddle every night........

It does seem like nit-picking, doesn't it?

CM is not allowed even the kudos for rescuing dogs because he has 35 to 40 of them?

Hmmm.....

 
Come on this is getting stupid, no one is knocking Cesar for the work he does or saying that the dogs he has are somehow badly treated or whatever.  It is the relationship with the dogs that is under direct discussion.  And if you have to spread your time and attention between a large number fo indiviuals you are not likely to have a strong bond with each and every one of them. 
 
The question I would ask is "Do you need to have a strong bond with a dog to have a good relationship with it?"  Some people here obviously think so.....  that does not take ANYTHING away from the good work Cesar has done, which is in fact completely irrelevant to the discussion.  As with anything, there are pros and cons and it seems no one can mention a "con" in this forum without someone trying to invalidate it by saying what good work he does....

That's enough.
 
The OP was questioning CM's relationships with his dogs - open for discussion. Stacia politely stated her sincere opinion, WITH praise for the work that CM does, saving them from euth. She wasn't insulting or degrading, was simply stating her opinion, listing why she felt that way and asking what others thought.
 
While some people within the CM boards may feel that she is baiting CM followers, I don't. To me, she comes across as an interested dog owner who wants to hear the opinions of others. Just because she is questioning the quality of CM's attachment to his pack does not mean that she is attacking him or his purpose, and is not cause to attack her in turn. While she did retaliate, and that was not right, either, but who wouldn't if put in the same situation? Behavior like this is what prevents people who are curious about methods from posting in these sections, myself included.
 
Swearing and spitefulness is unnecessary. This is everyone's first warning.

Moderator thank you for stepping up.   I went away for the weekend and when I returned and saw how it got so off topic and out of hand I didn't know what to say or how to contribute.  Thank you for putting everyone on track. 

There are no perfect scenarios when man takes an animal into his world for his own needs. For the good of society and to prevent pet overpopulation, we deny our dogs the right to breed at will, and neutor them. We take them into our homes and lives for our own self fulfillment. And, what do we give them in return?
 
All we can do is try to repay all that they give us.
 
There is no creature like the dog. May we ever strive to pay them back, honor them, and know we would be less without them. They are the true teachers who have the capacity to bring out the best, and the worst, in all of us. []
 

What's the bottom line here? Cesar gives dogs with no chance...a great life.[] If you can find fault in that...well...that's just sad. And IMO (and that's just what it is) his dogs are happy. 

If you really read Stacita's post, you will find that she said four dogs was what is manageable for HER.  As to whether you can have a relationship with 40 dogs, sure you can.  But, it will not be the same relationship you have with a single dog, or with five dogs, or with ten.  Every "pack" (dogs would not likely, on their own, form a forty dog pack) is different, and the addition or subtraction from the group of even one dog or one human makes a difference in the group dynamic.
Most people, unless they are in the dog biz, and sometimes even if they are, cannot devote 5-6 hours per day to hiking with a pack.  Their bosses or customers would probably frown on it.  This man has an unrealistic situation, not do-able for most people, and really not the ideal situation for having a one to one relationship with a dog.  These dogs do fairly well because they have relationships with one another, too.  But, I would be willing to bet, if they could speak, they might rather trade with mudpuppy's or espencer's or Stacita's or my dogs, and get that really close bond, more individual work or fun time, and closeness.  They are, after all, social animals.  Do you feel better cuddling in bed with the love of your life, or sitting around the dinner table with 20 relatives?  Just another perspective.
BTW, I don't think it's awful that he has so many dogs - if they were unwanted, and he is providing proper care, good for him.  Is it optimal?  Depends on the individual dogs.  My Aussies would find it hopelessly boring and inadequate to simply hike along.  They'd wonder, what are we doing next?  Do you have a meaningful job for me??? 
Pits are a much slower dog.  They have lots of stamina for the hike part, but they don't need nearly as much mental stimulation to be happy, as the problem solving breeds.  So, the makeup of a pack breed-wise is important, too.