who does the Discipline, exercise, and affection

No way and unfortunately, exercise is last in my house.  But he does have a big yard to romp in and play with his sister in.
 
Discipline is almost never needed anymore and  NILIF is still used as part of our daily routine – sit before getting fed, sit before going outside, give paws and speak for cookies etc.
 
Affection, in abundance!!

Discipline is almost never needed anymore and  NILIF is still used as part of our daily routine – sit before getting fed, sit before going outside, give paws and speak for cookies etc.

Hey - don't sell yourself short - NILIF *IS* discipline!

As far as our house, Cesar's Exercise, Discipline, Affection is followed in the summertime. But we've been lazy this winter with the shortened daylight, so it's mostly Disclipline, Affection & Exercise. But we're doing good anyway!

oops...sorry, I got his order wrong.  Exercise, discipline and affection.  Anyway, I still can't do that.lol

ORIGINAL: pup3cat2

My order is definatley affection, exercise and discipline.

And maybe thats the case in a lot of American houses, by giving affection first you are fufillling your needs first inseat of the dog needs, the human gives affection to feel loved, to get relaxed, to feel better BUT that's in the human world, the dogs are different, they still need affection but they have other needs before that, excersice and discipline is more needed that affection, if you are giving affection first you are only thinking about yourself and not about the dog, think about yourself being inside your house 24/7, no TV, no radio, no videogames, no phone and then your parents come and give you a lot of love (but they still keep you inside the house)

After excersice they need discipline, in the dog's world they need someone to guide them, someone to teach them right or wrong, someone they can look up to because they are confident you are there to take care of any fight or dangerous situation, think about you having a fight with a relative when you were 5, you go to your parents and they instead of taking care of the situation they just give you love

Of course for sure your life is not like that but this examples are for you to realize how the dogs might feel some days []

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy

No way and unfortunately, exercise is last in my house.  But he does have a big yard to romp in and play with his sister in.

Discipline is almost never needed anymore and  NILIF is still used as part of our daily routine – sit before getting fed, sit before going outside, give paws and speak for cookies etc.

Affection, in abundance!!

 
NILIF is discipline, the bad thing is that the dog does not care if you have a 9 bedroom house with 8 bathrooms and a big backyard, thats not excersice for them, thats play time but not excersice, think about sending your kids to Chucky Cheese's to "excersice" them instead soccer practice, the backyard is only a big create for them, they need to feel they move foward, they need to feel they are "traveling", "migrating" to some place, it does not matter if at the end they returned home
 
I have a friend with a big backyard because just like you feels is enough to "excersice" his dogs, well they still chew furniture, they still make holes in the grass, etc and everything is because they are frustrated for lack of real excersice, maybe your dogs dont do the same but show it in a different way
 
Affection first means thinking about yourself first before the dogs []

The order changes depending on whether its close to or after feeding time.

ORIGINAL: espencer

And maybe thats the case in a lot of American houses, by giving affection first you are fufillling your needs first inseat of the dog needs, the human gives affection to feel loved, to get relaxed, to feel better BUT that's in the human world, the dogs are different, they still need affection but they have other needs before that, excersice and discipline is more needed that affection, if you are giving affection first you are only thinking about yourself and not about the dog, think about yourself being inside your house 24/7, no TV, no radio, no videogames, no phone and then your parents come and give you a lot of love (but they still keep you inside the house)

After excersice they need discipline, in the dog's world they need someone to guide them, someone to teach them right or wrong, someone they can look up to because they are confident you are there to take care of any fight or dangerous situation, think about you having a fight with a relative when you were 5, you go to your parents and they instead of taking care of the situation they just give you love

Of course for sure your life is not like that but this examples are for you to realize how the dogs might feel some days []

 
Very well put, Espencer!
 
Sometimes it comes down to self-discipline and putting the needs of another being before our own...which is also the definition of love. []
 
 

I actually think that that "list" sets up a false dichotomy, er a false tri-chotomy? I don't seperate things out like that. I meet my dogs needs in the areas of training, management, affection, health, etc.... I don't chart out what goes when or where. Many thing happen at once. My walks with my dogs are not death marches where "We're exercising now--no fun allowed!" I talk to them, pat them on their heads while waiting for a light to change, we run, we stroll, we sniff, we march, we practice obedience. It's not an all or nothing sort of situation. Training likewise, because I use clicker-training, is also about exercise (mental exercise as my dogs are all expected to think for themselves and solve problems during training) and about affection, as I praise and guide and laugh with them.

Every individual dog is different in their needs. Marlowe is quite cat-like for a dog and while he likes to be snuggling next to you, he's in no way demanding of affection most of the time. If I want to give it freely I do, because he doesn't come begging for it. It's not the highest up in his list of priorities. A lab who's in your face all the time with his ball wanting you to throw it is another story. He needs to learn self-control when it comes to getting what he wants and you can use NILIF to teach that. But I see no reason to withold affection from a dog who has never over-the-top demanded it just because "Now is not the time for affection."

I agree, good post houndlove.
 
As with so many of CM's 'philosophies,' I find this order of operations sounds good but in practice is rather vague and hard to pin down. Life doesn't happen in a step-by-step formation. And since I don't live in Southern California, exercise does not always come first. When I woke up today it was around zero degrees... so, no, I did not walk my dog first thing! []

ORIGINAL: houndlove

I actually think that that "list" sets up a false dichotomy, er a false tri-chotomy? I don't seperate things out like that. I meet my dogs needs in the areas of training, management, affection, health, etc.... I don't chart out what goes when or where. Many thing happen at once. My walks with my dogs are not death marches where "We're exercising now--no fun allowed!" I talk to them, pat them on their heads while waiting for a light to change, we run, we stroll, we sniff, we march, we practice obedience. It's not an all or nothing sort of situation. Training likewise, because I use clicker-training, is also about exercise (mental exercise as my dogs are all expected to think for themselves and solve problems during training) and about affection, as I praise and guide and laugh with them.

Every individual dog is different in their needs. Marlowe is quite cat-like for a dog and while he likes to be snuggling next to you, he's in no way demanding of affection most of the time. If I want to give it freely I do, because he doesn't come begging for it. It's not the highest up in his list of priorities. A lab who's in your face all the time with his ball wanting you to throw it is another story. He needs to learn self-control when it comes to getting what he wants and you can use NILIF to teach that. But I see no reason to withold affection from a dog who has never over-the-top demanded it just because "Now is not the time for affection."

Totally out of context, excersice, discipline and affection are : priorities, no steps, your dog is a good example on the dog's world priorities, i even think you are practicing excersice first, discipline, second (NILIF) and affection third without even knowing

Misconceptions, misconceptions, i naver said you need have your dog as soldier "left, right,  left, right", i'm not saying that you cant pat your dog in the head before going out to do excercise first, your example of walking your dog is a good one, there is a big difference between pat your dog in the head while you are walking him than pat your dog in the head while you are in your couch the entire day

ORIGINAL: DPU

The order changes depending on whether its close to or after feeding time.

The priorities have to stay the same, you can always say hi to your dog right after you wake up of course if you are getting ready to take him out (to walk [])

Well, I guess you could say that I'm doing anything but I don't know it and then you'll always be right. But you tell DPU that the priorities have to stay the same all the time. I'm saying I have ONE priority: meeting all of my dogs' needs in a multitude of areas (not just three). Why divide it up?

ORIGINAL: houndlove

Well, I guess you could say that I'm doing anything but I don't know it and then you'll always be right. But you tell DPU that the priorities have to stay the same all the time. I'm saying I have ONE priority: meeting all of my dogs' needs in a multitude of areas (not just three). Why divide it up?

 
And like i said, they are priorities not steps, yes you can french kiss your dog first thing in the morning if you want but make sure he is going to be excercised during the day, in the dog's world excersice is more important than affection, discipline is more important than affection and that does not mean you wont give affection during, before or after each one, they are only in different levels of importance in a dog's life and your own dog is showing it to you
 
In the human world the priorities are different
 
Why divide them? well for the same reason you have priorities in your life, if you dont set priorities you could be giving more importance to your work than your family, you could be giving more importance to satisfice others before satifice yourself first, you name it
 
 

ORIGINAL: houndlove
I'm saying I have ONE priority: meeting all of my dogs' needs in a multitude of areas (not just three). Why divide it up?

 
Simplicity, in the teaching of those who are interested in learning about Cesar's hilosophies and methods. 
 
If the end result is a stable, balanced, happy, and fulfilled dog, with no social or behavioral problems, who is a safe member of society and is welcomed anywhere...then use what works for you. []
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Remove humans from the lives of dogs and before you know it, you have dogs being dogs. Dogs need a life the same as humans, they should have their needs as dogs met the same as humans do. The difference is, while humans have no "keepers" we are our dogs keepers. Their lives are controlled by us, and that's simply stating the facts. When we bring dogs into our lives we should be prepared to do what it takes to raise them happy and healthy. Sometimes that means doing what's best for them and not what makes us emotionally happy. Without humans, dogs grow up, become responsible members of a pack. Some hunt, some watch the young, and the young play and wait. There is purpose, and there is a pack leader. The pack leader is the keeper, he/she will lead, keep order, impose his or her will, and do what's best for the pack. Dogs in the wild and some in domesticted packs will harshly correct each other (and instead of becoming unreasonably fearful or aggressive towards the corrector, will simply submit) then turn right around and lick each other five minutes later. Dogs without humans also walk great distances, (could be the reason they have four legs) walking allows them learn about their environment. And since observation is one of the main ways a dog learns, walks seem to serve many purposes. Walks help the dog to deal with not only physical but mental stimulation. Do I pet my dog on the head when she walks up to me in the morning? Sure I do, then we hit the trail. Do I mind if she sniffs around? Not once we've come to a stopping point. I know of no dog that "needs" to sniff every single spot when every other dog has peed or pooped. Have the dog walk with me and keep his/her head up helps to keep the dogs mind moving forward, and not just be obsessed with the next pee or poop smell. My dogs love their walks, two miles out, stop and play, two miles back. It's a good time. I have rules, I give a correction only when needed, NILIF is the order, and love on them and give effection for being good dogs. Why in the world would anyone have a problem with that. And as a professional, the dogs I see, meet and work with that have issues are the ones that get non or the opposite of that. Sure some people get very lucky and happen to get a naturally happy go lucky dog (that's why some people believe R+ only training works, these are the only dogs they've dealt with.) but most people don't. Why do you think their are sooo many problem dogs.

Dogs are not human, they do not feel, think, like humans. Ever known a dog to lie? They certainly do not wish they were human, and to think they do is an insult to them.

When Cesar "suggest" one should go about dealing with their dogs a certain way, that's what it is, a suggestion. He's going by what he has learned over *years* of studying and working with dogs. His advise is most definitely helpful to those who have out of control dogs, and while we may differ on somethings, I've not seen him give anyone harmful or bad "advise". And advise is something one can follow, or ignore.