question about Cesar Milan

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

espencer, while that may be true, don't believe everything you see on NGC. [sm=devil.gif]

Just kidding - couldn't resist.

Aahhh, good one, i fell for it completely []

ORIGINAL: espencer


Well if you want to train elephants you have to deal with "musth" which is way dangerous and during this period the elephant is extremly aggressive with almost everything in front of him, some people just chain the elephant and wait for the "musth" period to pass because their hormons (according to people that own elephants) make them go crazy and irrational, i saw an episode in National Geographic about it and here is a webpage of what exactly it is, as you can see, if you want to live with animals, you HAVE to deal with other aspects of their social life too

Yeah, but musth is strictly an adult male thing with elephants. They'll be, like, 25 years old or more before they have their first musth.

ORIGINAL: corvus

Yeah, but musth is strictly an adult male thing with elephants. They'll be, like, 25 years old or more before they have their first musth.

 
Should the owner get rid of the elephant before he turns 25 to avoid dealing with it?

Depends on if the owner's still going to be alive and working with elephants then! []

Seriously, elephants are owned to work, not as pets. Many of the people that own elephants actually hire other people to handle them. I'm sure they've got their 'ways' to deal with musth when it finally does happen. The only point I was making is that musth wasn't like something that happened to every elephant from the time it was young or something. I'm just putting it into perspective.

Man, I can so relate!

 I think this escapes folks who have never had to deal with this type of dog.  I also think it is this type of dog that constitutes Ceasars "pack" and why he excersises them so much. I don't have a chow but mine is so independant and forward driven, walking is his only motivation for anything. Treats, toys, affection, have never worked. He doesn't care about such stuff.

And also, mine, even at age 12  would make a go with Ceasar's pack and his excersise program.  He might fall over at hour 3 or 4 and have to take a quick nap.  But trust me, he would get back up and carry on.

You have one end of the spectrum saying +R, then the other saying, I'd put that dog in it's place.  Or under trained and under socialized.  I get that one a lot.  So no, not everyone  understands.

I think unpredictability comes with an independant/confident dog.  Zeus can be friendly & sociable, meaner than a junk yard dog ....and all points in between....

There is good news though.  Mine began to mellow out at about 10-11.  I spent a lot of time running the woods during those 10 years...so I am a fan of the "a tired dog is a good (manageable) dog".

Sorry for hi jacking the thread.  But I always read your posts with great interest because I understand where you are coming from.

ORIGINAL: willowchow
 but I do believe that SOME dogs, most especially these independent, "difficult" breeds, like a chow, sometimes need a little extra ummph to get their attention, to get them to stop doing something or whatever.   I don't know if everyone understands this like some of us but there are things that would absolutely THRILL almost any other dog, but wouldn't even get a glance from my dog.

Sorry for hi jacking the thread. But I always read your posts with great interest because I understand where you are coming from.

 
Oh no, it's good we are back on track with dogs, we have worked our way from dogs to horses, chickens, elephants(did I leave anything out?) and God only knows what elese would be coming up.[]

ORIGINAL: snownose

Oh no, it's good we are back on track with dogs, we have worked our way from dogs to horses, chickens, elephants(did I leave anything out?) and God only knows what elese would be coming up.[]

 
Seems there were some silverback gorillas around here somewhere...maybe it was another thread or parallel universe. [8D]