Self-Appointed Referee

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    Self-Appointed Referee

    Is Russell's role at the dog park, it seems. [8D]
     
    We had what I counted as a positive experience at the dog park yesterday. We used to go almost every day but since he started "puppy hazing" I've gone less and less, now only very occasionally when I'm up to the (possible) challenge. He had good days and bad days there but I was getting so uptight about it, worrying he'd act up or someone would make a comment about him, I wasn't enjoying it anymore. Now I've starting going sometimes under certain circumstances - when I can take him for a long walk first and can go a little early, before the whole "pack" is there for social hour.
     
    So yesterday I took him for a 30min walk, played fetch alone for 20min at the park, then joined a small group of dogs to play for another 20min or so. There was one hairy moment when a Corgi puppy was bothering Russell's buddy, an older shih tzu. The shih tzu growled at the puppy and Russell bounded in to reprimand the pup. [:o] Barking and air-nipping at his flanks. I called him off and to my delight he stopped, let the puppy sniff him, licked the pup's mouth, and was fine with him the rest of the day.
     
    Then an adult ACD burst in the park full of energy. Initially Russell approached him in a submissive posture (squatting low, head and ears low). But when the ACD and a Lab started excitedly playing, chasing and wrestling with each other, Russell got excited and began to bark at them. For a moment I got tense and was about to remove him, but then I decided to chill out and just see what he'd do. He spent the next 10 minutes or so just following them and yipping excitedly. The dogs seemed not to care or even notice him. He never even air-snapped, and in fact he looked excited like he was having fun rather than getting agitated... when they'd run, he'd run after them quietly but bark again when they wrestled.
     
    I think he's just excited by other dogs playing - does that sound accurate? More to the point, would you allow it? He started doing that in the playtime of our "Graduate Puppy" training class when he was about 7-8mo old, and our trainer didn't like it. She removed him from play, holding him in her arms, and once spent the whole time squirting him in the face with a water bottle (to my chagrin). I felt like he wasn't doing any harm, the dogs didn't care at all and he wasn't barking constantly to the point of annoying me - but he's my dog, would that drive you nuts if another dog did it at the park?
     
    You can probably see just from this post how anxious and uptight I get about the dog park... but right now this is our only opportunity for him to be around other dogs. When we move my mother-in-law and brother-in-law have a few dogs between them and we probably won't "need" the dog park to have good dog-dog experiences.
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    It sounds like he is well behaved and is not bothering the other dogs, so I can't see any reason to disrupt his fun.
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    To me it sounds like Russell is pretty well balanced.  If he really bothers the other dogs, they'll let him know.  From what you've described he doesn't really seem to be refereeing, more like he wants to join in and play as well.
     
    Xerxes isn't really a referee, he's more like a policeman.  If a dog is jumping up on me or another of his human friends he'll bark, then nip that dog if that dog isn't listening.  Xerxes walks the park like a lord surveying his manor, very reserved and dignified.  And if he sees something getting out of hand, he'll feel the need to go in and regulate.
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    I think our dogs share the same brain - Puppy hazers and referees!

    Kobi will do exactly the same thing. When other dogs are running around chasing and rolling each other he will charge the 'herd' and usually single out the one being bullied. He will bump him to the ground if need be, stand over top and bark. The bark is not directed at the dog he is over, but rather the other dogs or seemingly into the air. Is he being protective or dominate? I honestly can't tell as it never escalates either towards the dog who is down or the dogs who are chasing. As the crowd breaks up and the pack disperses Kobi lets the dog up. If the game resumes however he again becomes the ref.

    Personally I am not 100% comfortable with this, mainly because of his unpredictable behaviour around puppies. Sometimes I let it continue once or twice, but then I call him off. It is good obedience training, plus I like to make sure it never gets out of control. Preventative intervention.
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    It's very reassuring to get these positive responses. I just never know if I'm being too soft on him and letting him annoy other people - I'm too paranoid about it, and our trainer's response didn't help me feel okay about it. Although she did say it's common with cocker spaniels to be barky in play... I don't mind the sound of my dog barking but I don't want to PO the other park goers.
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    Oh you mean you have a "fun nazi' ha ha! We used to have a cocker spaniel who was that way and it took the longest time for us to realize that she wasnt aggressive, she just wanted to keep everyone in line!
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    I would say that if it isn't bothering dogs or humans, not to worry about it.  There was a golden that did this once, and I will admitt that it bothered me, but not because of the barking, but because he was a VERY dominant golden (he flashed a TEXTBOOK dominant posture at a male husky as he was coming in and they actually got into a fight right before he came down and played), and I was concerned that this behavior was a precurser to going after another dog, but nothing bad happened as a result of his barking.  The other dogs actually totally ignored him.
     
    If he was a herding dog I'd be a tad worried, because so many like to "herd" other dogs and nip at their heels, but I doubt that Russel is herding.....
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    A "fun nazi" [sm=lol.gif] - I don't know, does he want them to stop or is he cheering them on?? I can only echo the guy at the dog park who said, "I wonder what's going through his head!"
     
    Christine - yeah, I would be more worried if he was showing dominant body language but he looks like he's having fun. Not herding either, he sort of dances around and stays close, almost exactly like a ref in a boxing match. [sm=crazy.gif]
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    Sounds to me like he's fine. A dog park can be "free time," anyway.
     
    And he is following obedience commands when necessary.