very frightened foster dog

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    very frightened foster dog

    I am a foster mom for both dogs and cats for a local animal rescue organization in my town.  I have taken in a dog ( beagle/ red tick coonhound x)  Very sweet boy.  He was with someone in a womans abuse shelter for quite a few months.  Let sheltered quiet life there, wasn't forced to face fears.  Coddled alot.  His life before that we have no idea about his history. 
    He is scared of EVERYTHING!  Clearly he has been traumatized by something.  He is okay indoors.  Jumps a bit at sudden noises or movements but has his crate to hide in till he feels safe to come out again.  Taking him outside is a chore.  He gets frightened by people he cant see (neighbours behind tall fence) making noise, the plop plop plop rain drops falling from eavestraugh, an ariconditioner kicking in.  Something like a plastic bottle(garbage) blowing in wind making noise,  A stone got caught in my shoe the other day and click click noise scared him.  If it is a really loud noise like the street sweeper.  He has an absolute panic attack.  He starts to run.  then when gets to end of leash turns around and back peddles trying to blow his collar off so he can run.,  Had been fitted with one of those nasty looking prong collars as he does get out of a standard collar and chews through a harness in matter of minutes.  ( i'm thinking he was exposed to a loud noise like gunfire as a puppy traumatizing him to nosie, maybe attemps to make him hunting dog failed, is my only guess)
    My question what can i do to help him overcome his fears so we can get him adopted into a nice family to care for him properly.  I have been taking him out frequently to expose him to noise.  If he has small panick attack i stand close to him pet him and reassure him it's okay.  Big panick attack I let him go in as he starts cholking himself to get inside.  When outside and it is fairly quiet out, he is sits close by me he shakes and shivers and whines alot.  He also whines abit inside.  Not sure if it is because of insecurity or he's bored.  He is relaxed around my husband and I  but unsure of strangers.  Once they are here for a bit and give him a treat to show him they are nice people he settles down.  He is playful inside plays catch, very gentle, non aggressive with his chewies or food, love petties and attention. Ignores the cats.  Did show dominace over another dog in previous foster home.  But never any aggression or dominance any other time so far.  Just got to some how find this poor guy help to get him over his fears. We have limited funding and resources to help this guy out.  Any help is GREATLY appreciated.  Hope this enough background.  Anyone out there have any advise?
    Thank you so very much [:)
    Shandra[sm=wink2.gif]
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    try some clicker training. that helped amelia build some confidence. one of the things we taught amelia was "touch" basically we held a treat in a closed hand, got her to touch it with her nose, and then she got the treat. she would always hide from my dad. now when he comes over we give him a couple of treats and he can get her to touch a couple of times and then she is ok with him and she will let him pet her.

    noises happen and amelia is still scared of most loud or sudden noises. not sure how to over come that other than to keep reinforcing your baby when he is doing things you would like for him to do. never raise your voice to him and never punish him (of course you probably knew those 2 [:D]). i wouldnt show him a great deal of affection when he jumps at noises. with amelia we either just ignore what she is doing and then give her some extra praise at other times, or simply tell him "it's ok" in a reassuring tone but without petting him. our hope is that eventually, amelia will realize that since we arent freaking out she shouldnt be either.

    i know it is heartbreaking when you have a dog that was so abused in a previous life that they cant relax enough to be a dog. we only want the best for amelia, and she is slowly coming out of her shell.
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    Im sorry i dont have much advice but obeidience training and socialization helped with our dog but he was not as bad as this.We also were told that we should  starting to train him in an activity like agility to give him something to do to keep his mind busy.I wish you good luck.It just sickens me to think about what could have been done to the poor guy to make him so scared!
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    I don't have experience with a dog who is this frightened, but I would probably not stroke, comfort or reassure a frightened dog, as this just sends the message that you are pleased with what the dog is doing at that moment (the fear response).  I would maybe try to distract the dog with treats - if the dog knows sit or to look at you, try to work up to giving the command when you see something that would usually frighten the dog and treating for obeying the command rather than doing the typical frightened behavior.  This can be tough, but do a little at a time and keep increasing the distraction (scary things) when the pooch starts being ok with the amount you are working at.  I know that the first instinct is to reassure - but I am pretty sure that in most cases this is counter-productive...  Good luck!! 
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    I am going through the same thing with Ben, as he is a rescue dog that I got from a great group in NH.  I can only speak to his behavior but since a dog's since of well being and confidence is developed by 20 weeks it is understandable that Ben has issues since he was in a shelter for most of his 1st year.  He too was/is afraid of the oddest things - ceiling fan, garbage cans, traffic, people, a trail sign, etc... Building his confidence is the most important, work on simple commands, such as Sit.  You will need to help him through those tough moments by letting him experience it and then when he moves on, treat and praise.  Ben and I would sit in the front yard with a bunch of treats and I would feed him as we watched the traffic.  Same with the ceiling fan, every time he looked at it, I would treat him, I would simply touch the fan and treat and then started to move it and treat, it only took a day or two of this for him to be ok.  He got to think that things were not that bad especially when he got a treat.  Lots of praise for the smallest victory!!!   I know it can be so tough, some times, I can not figure out what is going to set him off but it is getting less and less each day and I can see his confidence building
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    Thank-you.  I'm trying the treat method.  But it is Extreamly hard to get him to slow down long enough to see i have a treat.  That plus hanging on so his leash doesn't fly out of hand is a balancing act. He really backpeddles HARD!  I try being stronger voiced with him telling him to stop or I say NO sharply.  He slows down a bit when I do that and then pull him closer to me.  I try to make him sit through the noise.  I will start to treat him after the noise has passed.  I hope this works.
    Thanks for the help  [:)]  will let you know how it goes.
    KC.
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    Socialization is the process of teaching a dog how to cope with and behave well in a human world and most of us start socializing our dogs as pups.  I seems like your dog has not been socialized appropriatly.  If it were me I would sign your dog up in an obdience class to help begin the socialization process.  I would continue to take him for walks no matter how anxious he gets.  It is best that you do not coddle or pet him while he is anxious.  Like the PP stated this only valadates his fears.  It is much more productive for you to be confident and urge him to move along.  Try to anticipate in advance a situation that may set him off (like the street sweeper) and have him sit (at a distance) while you distract him with some gentel commands like "give paw" and treat him.  It is a slow process but continue to expose him.  When he starts to retreat and back up and pull away, stop and call him to you with a treat, have him sit and then move forward. 
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    Shy dogs! Do I ever know about 'em!! Well, okay - one. :) 2 years ago, I adopted a chihuahua from a rescue. She was a little over a year old and came from a 'backyard breeder' - kept in a crate her whole life - just for breeding. As a result, she was (literally) scared of her own shadow, unhealthy, undersocialized, not housetrained, had never seen a toy or a leash in her life and afraid of everyone and everything.

    She was A LOT of work and will never be 100% confident. But she is EONS from the dog I first saw at the rescue place, shivering and cowering from everyone.

    The first thing I did was read "Help for Your Shy Dog" by Deborah Wood. Awesome book. Invaluable!

    First, I taught her the basics, to keep her mind engaged: sit, down, stay. When a shy dog has something else to focus on, they are less distracted by whatever makes them scared.

    I would strongly recommend teaching 'Watch me'. Say it to your dog and the SECOND they make eye contact with you, reward. I use it all the time on walks, now - if only to practice. I used it whenever I knew something would/was frightening her...to distract her attention from the 'trigger'. This was especially great when she was new to a leash - sometimes she'd get frightened - and we'd find ourselves with her leash wrapped around a pole and her, struggling to get out and away. Then I'd say, "Watch Me" - and she'd look at me and forget (temporarily) about her struggle. It was just enough time for me to calmy untangle her and move on.

    With shy dogs, it is always baby steps. It took me a whole summer to work her up to walking around the block. I live in a major city with lots of traffic/people and city buses. It was a lot to deal with for a tiny, shy one - but we worked at HER pace. If we walked too far out of her comfort zone, that would be it for the day. If a bus stopped beside us, I'd move a little away from it and give her treats, so she got used to the noise. Then, the next day - we'd get a little further and further. Believe it or not - NOW, she LOVES her walks! She walks past people/kids/dogs and is generally alright. Now and then, we have setbacks here and there - but if I look ahead and see that something will scare her (skateboad, or construction for instance), I move to the other side of the street OR we move out onto someone's front lawn and practice our sit, down, stay stuff until the noisy thing has passed.

    Keep having him meet strangers that give him yummy treats! Flea was terrified of everyone - especially if they reached for her (she still gets scared of two hands - except for me). NOW, she sees them as treat dispensers and will always say hello to a calm, friendly person. I would have your visitors only pet your dog on the chest or under the chin. Shy dogs often fear hands above their heads. She is also still more afraid of my boyfriend than me (and he has been there since the beginning)..so have everyone in the family take turns with the feeding and the happy activities - so he can expand his trust for more than one person.

    If your dog becomes afraid outside, do not pet him. What I do, is start talking in a happy, upbeat voice. "Just a noise, let's go!" It seems to let her know, it's no biggie.

    I TRIED clicker training - which will be great if it works for you, but my dog was TERRIFIED of the 'click' sound (and I was using the lid from a juice bottle which is a very light click. And I mean, terrified to the point where she would run and hide. didn't need that regression!). So, we stopped that quickly.

    I agree, if you think your dog will get along with other dogs, do the obedience thing. I did not do this with my dog - because she was terrified of other dogs barking!! And I didn't want to throw her right into the mix without first doing some work with her on my own. When I got my 2nd dog, she seemed to come out of her shell more. And now, she will meet ANY dog on the street (she especially adores small ones) - if they approach her nicely.

    Flea still has her moments - every day - when she gets startled by the most innocent things. You can place a glass down too hard on the kitchen counter and she scrambles to run out of the way. But we don't coddle her about it. We move on, like everything's cool. All I can do is hope that her continued exposure to the outside world will put her more at ease in her own environment. It's a good thing your dog has the crate to go to. Flea will do that too, sometimes if she feels overwhelmed. It is important that they have a place which makes them feel safe.

    I might suggest that you shorten the length of your leash with this dog. It seems that he has a lot of leashroom to work with if he 'runs out' ahead of you. If he's closer, you can better control his movements. If he starts to twist and wrench out of the collar - remain calm - put him in a 'sit' - give him treats and wait until he becomes stable again.
    Sometimes when I'm out with Flea, and her tail is up high and she's having the best time on walk, sniffing and running - and stopping to meet a stranger - I just can't believe she is the SAME little dog that I first met...cowering and wide-eyed and panicked about the world. But she has taught me that dogs like this CAN change. For the first time in her life, she gets to be a dog!

    Believe me, I KNOW it's a slow slow process...but for the person with the patience and love to give a dog like this...it is very rewarding! She was my diamond in the rough and I wouldn't trade her for anything.

    And one more thing..kudos to you for doing the foster thing. We need more kind-hearted souls like you in the world. Good luck!


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    Thanks guys.  I would love to put Charlie in obedience classes.  However I am not his owner I am his 'fostermom'  Just about every dog that comes to me needs to be put in such classes.  If while fostering I feel classes are needed.  I stipulate that to potental adopting families.  I ask if they are willing to pay the money for the classes. 
    I have been working with dogs for many years and should have known better than to pet him during an freak out fit of his. Didn't even cross my mind I was rewarding him with petting.  I have stopped that.  I am a bit more stronger with him vocally. I reassure him but i give the come here, sit commarnd stronger to catch his attention.  I think I was being passive on a vet's (bad) advise to" be gentle as you dont want him to feel he is bad for having the panick attack. Pull him close and stroke him to sooth his nerves."  Soothing is one thing but stroking during attack you guys are right shouldn't be done.  I listened to the vet but in this case I think it is wrong advise.
     I'm starting to feel a stronger commanding voice is needed.  I'm not harsh just stronger/louder. I am working on the distracting him.  I like the idea of the sit and paw.  He is all hound but has stomach of a lab  :)  will do anything for food. So I've found some nice small bit treats he loves and use them strictly for distracting him through a loud noise. 
     I try to avoid loud noises.  It wasn't till I got to end of street that I saw the streetcleaner.  I right away turned around.  Even though we were the entire street away (a good 500 feet i;ll guess) he still panickd.  If he can hear it he panics.  I wish I could really let you see how he panicks.  It is hard to distract him as he is in a litteral panick attack.  If any of you have had an attack it is extreamly hard to focus on anything when you have one.  Treats are a step in right direction though.  He at least stops pulling so hard he cholks himself out.  He is torn between bolting and getting a treat.  I think combining it with extra commands like sit, down, paw, other paw, speak, ect.  I feel really good it will eventually work.  I feel like I am on a proper path now , this is a great site for advise I'm glad I found it.  I have years of dog experience and have seen it all as a foster mom.  From abuse to bedwetting to infestaions I have see and dealt with alot helping thses poor dogs get a better life for them.  I am going to have Charlie in my care for a while but I for the first time since he arrived feel a positive step forward in his road of healing has been made.
     
    Thanks alot
    lily
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    Ben'sMom - who's the great group in NH?  I'm a trainer in MA and I always like to know who's nearby that people have had good experiences with.
     
    For the OP, two great books for working with fearful dogs:
    The Cautious Canine
    Help for Your Shy Dog
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    I TRIED clicker training - which will be great if it works for you, but my dog was TERRIFIED of the 'click' sound (and I was using the lid from a juice bottle which is a very light click. And I mean, terrified to the point where she would run and hide. didn't need that regression!). So, we stopped that quickly.

     
    All gnatfleas suggestions are great.  And, if you have a dog that, like the Chi, was scared to death of the click, just use a "bridge word" instead.  The bridge just tells the dog "you did that right".  I use "yes" or "good job" with my dogs when I don't have the clicker handy, and it works very well.
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    Poor little thing.  Well done on taking on such a challenge!
     
    I think if he were my dog, I would start trying to take him to open spaces outside during the week, during times when people aren't around as much.  Maybe like 11 a.m. or something. 
     
    He'll be upset at first, but I think his natural doggie curiousity will eventually start to kick in and overshadow the fear.  He'll start to see other people and without realizing it, he'll eventually start to enjoy being outside. In my experience, all dogs enjoy being outside, even severely traumatized ones.
     
    If he's really that bad, I'd definitely start this way instead of throwing him into a socialization class right away (though a GREAT idea for whomever ends up with the little guy.) 

    The thing is that you don't want him around other people or dogs until he isn't so afraid in case he develops some fear based aggression because he's so scared.
     
    I've also seen completely freaked out dogs do well on a religiously adhered to schedule. If you can manage to do the exact same thing every day, he'll likely benefit from this.
     
    Finally, I truly believe in the whole "dogs can pick up on your feelings" thing.  If you keep confident and self-assured while you're with the dog (hard to do every second, but try to keep reminding yourself), he'll definitely pick up on that.
     
     

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    Mickey was a 2yr old abused pound pup when we got her. She is still terrified 6yrs later. The clicker scares her, she doesn't respond to verbal cues unless in a very deep voice. Her most extreme fear is of wind/storms/rain to the point I cannot control her. She is NOT agressive, just terrified. [my ex husband had the deep voice and I am sorry/embarrassed to admit the heavy harsh hand] Then she cringes and lays submissively for a moment. As soon as I can [I am not pushing, it is on her pace] get her comfy to ride in the car I'm going to try a BarkPark. My two main q's of the day are these: How to best secure her in the vehicle [she is 55lbs] and how long do I expose her to the Park? It is a thirty minute drive.... each way lol. She has NO social skills with other dogs, only fear :( I love her and I am trying everything under the sun/moon to make her a well balanced happy creature. Much of it is my own doing, living in a rural area I didn't realise that she was missing out on learning to socialize with other dogs. That I do know is my fault.
    I apologise if I keep posting in the wrong forums, I too am learning!
    thanks so much.
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    JennyNmickey,

    You're on the right path by realizing she needs socialization.  I think that will help her a lot.  She needs to regain the confidence she lost when she was treated roughly by your ex, and probably a lot of other experiences that made her timid.  Someone else mentioned on here that you shouldn't coddle her when she gets scared. That's so true.  Talking softly to her in a calm voice is okay. Words like, "Excellent" and "Good dog" are okay ONCE she manages to confront her fear.  Your confidence while you're with her will rub off, believe me. I've seen many very frightened dogs stay frightened when their owners are wrapped up in worry and stress about how they are going to react to situations.  That old phrase, 'You have to fake it until you make it" definitely applies.  Keep calm and confident when you're with her in a frightening situation and keep smiling.  You'd be amazed at how much this will help her over just a few weeks. (Not to mention how it will help you!)

    I'd also suggest getting her to reassociate her name with something really good.  Most of the time, when dogs are spoken to harshly or handled roughly, or even absued, the dog's name comes to mean something bad to that dog.  If you think this might be the case, try this: Get a bunch of really tasty treats in your hand, without her seeing.  You can mix in really smelly liver or beef treats that will be more interesting to her than her usual treats.  You can even mix in some bits of apple or peas if she can have this type of food.  When she comes to you by her name only, gently drop the food in front of her. This is tricky since you're dealing with a skittish dog.  If you feel you may scare her doing this, its okay for her to eat of your hand.  Do this a couple of times a day  for a few weeks.  Only use her name when you want to give her some treats or a serious love session with belly rubs, etc. She'll slowly start to realize that when you say her name, it means she's loved and she gets wonderful stuff.  She'll start to gain confidence and trust with this. 

    Finally, before bedtime, if she'll let you, start taking her head in your hands and very gently massaging her face.  Concentrate on the space where her eyebrows are, right above the eyes, and the sides of the head.   Very gently rub her here for as long as she'll let you.  Make eye contact, if you can.  Dogs can see eye contact from people as a threat, so if you think she's not in the right frame of mind, don't force it.  This massage will not only invoke more trust, but dogs are truly like people. The stress of her life will be lifted, if only for a few moments.  If you can massage her head nightly, move on to other parts of her body. Nothing too hard, just gently stroking and rubbing of her whole body.  Again, she may be resistant to this at first, but just keep trying without making her do it. 
     
    There's a lot of stuff trainers can tell you to do to help build her confidence again.  But, the thing is that dogs communicate non-verbally and these exercises should help even the most timid dog start to relax.
     
    Does she like being in a crate? Sometimes, timid dogs see the crate as a retreat/haven. If so, I'd use this in the car if she's used to it. If not, then don't even try it.  Some pet stores have a sort of hammock that you can attach to the back seat so if you have to stop fast or she's running around scared, she can't fall on the floor and hurt herself.  She may also be good in a harness seat belt, but that's one of those things that might backfire if she doesn't like being restrained.

    I'd try taking her for walks around your house first, before the dog park. Then, start going to the dog park when there aren't a lot of people there.  You may want to even not get her near another dog at first.  Bring lots of treats with you and give them to her when she sees another dog in the distance.  She'll start to realize that good things happen when another dog is around. Build up to actual contact with another dog this way, over a few weeks.  Most dog people are great at helping you with your dog.  If someone looks friendly, ask them if you can approach their dog because yours is skittish.  People will probably have all sorts of advice and be helpful.  Good luck!
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    ORIGINAL: kritterscorner

    Thank-you.  I'm trying the treat method.  But it is Extreamly hard to get him to slow down long enough to see i have a treat.  That plus hanging on so his leash doesn't fly out of hand is a balancing act. He really backpeddles HARD!  I try being stronger voiced with him telling him to stop or I say NO sharply.  He slows down a bit when I do that and then pull him closer to me.  I try to make him sit through the noise.  I will start to treat him after the noise has passed.  I hope this works.
    Thanks for the help  [:)]  will let you know how it goes.
    KC.

     
    If you say "NO" loudly or sharply, you may be reinforcing his fears.  In other words: Loud noise comes, he backs off, you get excited...you must be getting excited at the noise too, so the noise IS something to fear.
     
    Try carrying the best possible treat in the world for him (at all times) and as much as possible keep his attention on YOU when you're walking.  Don't react to noises and when he doesn't react to the noises reward him like he's never been rewarded before.