refusal to completely "give" - steak bone

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    refusal to completely "give" - steak bone

    Gandolf, our rescue pooch with dog aggression and some people aggression, was given a steak bone by a neighbor the other day.  The neighbor, who is wheelchair bound, stuck it through the fence.  We have encouraged him to bring treats, because both Gandolf and our other dog bark at him mightily as he wheels down the alley.  The treat giving has reduced this a lot, although never has the neighbor given Gandolf such a "high ticket" item.
     
    I saw the neighbor wheeling away, and went out to the backyard to see what Gandolf got.  I saw it was a steak bone, and asked Gandolf to "give," mostly so the two dogs would not fight over the item.  Gandolf dropped the bone, but did not move away, and briefly lifted his lip at me.  Mind you, he has never shown any aggression to me or my husband, - no growling, no lip lifting, no nothing, so I was a little worried.  I told him no, calmly but with authority, asked him to "out," (go away) so that I could safely pick up the bone, which he did. 
     
    I know that some say when a dog is not willing to give an item up, give the "give" command and when he complies, give him a higher value object, but what do you do when he's got the highest value object?  Also, should I have done anything differently?  (I did eventually give him the bone, but it was awhile after I orignially took the bone from him, and I had him do multiple tasks first, like come, sit, stay, heel, etc. before I allowed him to have the bone in his crate.)  Maybe he should never have gotten the bone?
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    sounds like you did everything right...please tell me tho that it wasn't a cooked bone?  Those can be very dangerous.
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    For what it's worth, I think you handled it fine. 
     
    However, this whole food aggression issue can be very dangerous so with us, Willow doesn't get treats that make her act like that.  It's just not worth it.
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    It might have been a little confusing to him. Why did he have to give up his treat? But regardless he should obey you at all costs. Its sounds like your man needs the NILF program
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    I think one of the things you should do is speak to your neighbor about what is and is not ok to give the dogs. Be nice about it, because it seems like he is working with you on this one, and he wasn't doing it to cause a problem, he probably just thought he was giving the dog something really good, and the dog would like him afterwards. Perhaps you could buy a box of cookies that they really like, and give it to him so that he has something safe to give to your dogs. 
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    Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. 
     
    I think the bone was cooked - is that bad because it could splinter more easily?  (My husband and I are vegetarians, so we don't really understand this bone thing and our dogs don't get bones like this very often!)
     
    Just to clarify, I took the bone away because such a high value item has caused scuffles between Gandolf and our other dog (alas, even rather low value items, like a stick, can cause problems[:'(]). 
     
     
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    Cooked bones splinter and can stay that way all the way out the other end... although many dogs get cooked bones and turn out okay, its just a higher risk than a lot of things and something to avoid.
     
    Raw bones digest very easily and turn to a jelly like substance pretty quickly, if they can get a piece off.