Killed Bunny

    • Gold Top Dog

    Killed Bunny

    Hi,
    I'm not a regular user, I seem to only come here when I have a question.  But I sure do appreciate all the help that idog has provided.
    Well now is one of those times that I have a question.  Lucy is a 1YO 55 lbs GSD or husky/SharPei or chow good ole american mutt.  The other day I found her tossing around a baby bunny like it was a toy.  I of course made her stop and attemped to revive the bunny.  It awoke and I let it go.  I think however the nest is in our yard.  This morning I found her tossing the body of a dead baby bunny around like it was a toy.  I cannot prove that she killed it, it seemed to have been dead for a while, but I'm not sure.  [:(]
    Do I need to be worried that she is a killer?  We are going to have a child soon and were actually thinking about getting a kitten for Lucy to play with and have company while we are away.  Should we worry about our baby and/or consider not getting a kitten? 
    Thanks for the advice.  I won't be able to check till the afternoon, so please don't be offended if I don't respond too quickly, I'll be back then.  Thanks!



    • Gold Top Dog
    Killing bunnies is what dogs do for a living in the wild.  I do not think that this equates to harming humans, and, in fact, even some very dog aggressive dogs are not aggressive toward humans.
    If you are pg, though, please get some good advice on childproofing your dog.  Too many dogs are sent to shelters each year because of the irrational fears of parents or parents to be.  If you are in New England, I can turn you on to a great instructor who has designed a course for this.  Otherwise, there are some great books on the market.  Pia Sylvani's "Raising Puppies and Kids Together" is by far the best IMO.  Another one is "Childproofing Your Dog" by Brian Kilcommons.  The best advice I can give you, however, is to supervise your child whenever your dog is in his/her company.  Kids, especially those under age 10, don't follow directions all that well when it comes to interactions with the family dog.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Killing bunnies does not mean he will be dangerous to your baby or any person for that matter...
     
    Its true, there are tons of dogs in the shelters because of newborns that didnt need to go there.  Just supervise their time together and socialize your dog in the meantime with children and he should be fine. 
     
    Lots of our dogs kill things in the yard, its just what they do.  Hes not a killer please dont think that.
    • Gold Top Dog
    If things don't work out, you could always put the baby up for adoption.  [:)]
    • Puppy
    lol @ the last comment.

    ok first off keep in mind the pup is still young, for now she is doing it instinctually, no its not usually dangerous to humans, but you should definitly correct the dog and give her something NOT living to chew on, the bunny may have been the same one from the day before, but being little it may not have survived the trauma of being tossed around by a 55lb pup

    i dont think getting a kitten is a great idea at the very moment, in fact with the type of dog i dont suggest leaving anything furry under 5 lbs in the same room as the pup. this brings me back to my friends akita, because akitas love to hunt. she has had the dog for 3 years and has never had a probem she has a great dane, an italian mastiff, a shiba inu and quite a few cats. not too long ago she got 2 new kittens and they were fine for a few months, but one day she woke up and came down to find the kitten (sorry for being graphic) bloody and ripped up on the floor, the only animal capable of getting to her was the akita being as she was the only one allowed to roam the house at night plus the large doggy toothmarks were obvious.we have no idea what triggered it because nothing had changed recently and she was always more motherly to the kitten. but i also realize that the bunny u speak of may have been sick and it is instictual that the dog may have been picking on it for that reason to begin with, the bunny may have died of natural causes. but if u do get a kitten i suggest getting one old enough to defend itself and be able to jump when it needs to, i also suggest getting a gate and block off one room of your home to make it accesible to the cat but not the dog just in case the cat needs to escape
    • Gold Top Dog
    Definately do some childproofing with your pup.  I've read a couple of articals on it and do it with Sally, even though I'm not pg and don't plan to be.  I think it's a good thing for dogs to be as tolerant as possible because LOTS of parents don't watch their kids closely around dogs.
     
    I wouldn't worry about it too much, although I'd watch him around livestock, if you have any.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Killing bunnies, or at least playing with dead bunnies is totally normal for dogs.  This does not translate into a "bloodlust" for killing babies.  Read the books about introducing the dog to the baby and vice-versa.  I think everything will turn out ok.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I agree with the other posters... this is simple prey drive, not aggression nor an instinct to kill. Unlike puppy_luv, I personally would not correct my dog for doing this either. Yes it's awful and sad for us, humans, to see a dog preying on a baby bunny, but it's not bad behavior, it's just a culture clash. I once saw my dog kill a baby bird, and it was gross and a little horrifying, but I have to admit that at the same time it was a little thrilling - to see a dog follow its instincts that way. Try to keep the dog away from the bunnies (by the way don't they live in burrows rather than nests?) but don't punish him.
     
    Dogs can be socialized to cats and vice versa. I think if you read up on how to approach that situation, you can give it a try. And as the others said, there is also lots of info out there on how to prepare for when baby meets dog.
    • Puppy
    there is absolutly nothing wrong with "correcting" it though when all it means is simply without praise give the pup something else to chew on
    • Gold Top Dog
    Meeko, our Akita, was quite adept on catching and killing rodents. While, yes, I always felt bad for them (esp the chipmunks) it is a natural behavior.
     
    I feel the way Jones does; it's a natural drive (that's much more reward than a chew toy), however, if you don't have the heart/stomach to let your dog do it, then do as puppy_luv suggested and try to train out of it. Neither side is wrong, IMHO, just different perspectives.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I don't think this is something you "train out of a dog."  You can teach him to control himself, and mind you, but unless he has some sort of outlet he is always going to have that drive.
    • Gold Top Dog
    puppy_luv, maybe you could explain what you mean more clearly the first time so you don't have everyone up in arms all the time.  See, to ME physical correction doesn't mean just touching my dog, nor in this case would I take "correcting" the dog to mean just giving him a toy to chew on instead without comment.  Just a thought.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Guys,
    Thanks for all the advice.  I do feel much better. I've been talking to people about this throughout the day and they shared the same thoughts with me, that it was "just instinct" and "it's what they do for a living". 
    I was planning on reading some books about socializing the baby when we have one.  I will look into the ones that were suggested.
    Again thanks for all the thoughts and for clearing me up on this matter!!!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Lucy crouches down in the grass (short grass even) like a lion and hunts for birds like that.  When they fly by she catches them.  We stop her when we see it just because then we have a dead bird to take care of... but when my niece was here and she was chewing on her raw bone (which she LOVES) my niece tried to take the bone from her and Lucy let go and was licking the girls face... and it was the first time she had ever met her.
     
    I want to add we didnt notice the little girl doing this and should have been watching closer, I guess cause shes always been gentle with kids we didnt watch closely...but I tell you this because hunting those animals doesnt mean anything about how theyll be with kids IMO....  
     
    But, you should def always keep and eye just in case as with all dogs.  [:)]