are all pitbulls aggressive?

    • Bronze
    Dogs were bred with a purpose. Read about the purpose and uses of the pitbull as far back as you can go and you'll see why so many believe a pitbull can anver be a trusted sweet dog forever. Its not just BS that people fear these dogs. There is well documented facts/instances where these dugs chew the faces off of people. Its the breed if you ask me. I would never have one. It always a metter of WHEN, not IF they turn viscious, as they were bred to be.
     
    Your pup is so absolutely adorable, but...I can't get past the but!
    Sorry.
     
    In Ontario, pitbulls are banned unless purebred with papers, muzzled all the time, and there is a registry you MUST be on to keep your dog. Breeding is prohibited unless registered with another purebred to prevent breed contaminiatio. The theory is, the pitbull is so viscious, the government wants to know where EVERY SINGLE dog IS, who owns it, what its history of violence is. THAT has to say something about the breed itself. They do not want this breed mixed with other dogs because it will alter the other dogs to become more viscious as a breed, over a long time.
     
    I'm concerned for the outcome of all adorable pitbull pups because yes, they are adorable pups, but what will their life become if they are tru to their nature??
     
    Sorry. I think yes, all pitbulls are agressive and no-one will stop them or be able to  ;pull them off when they are attacking.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Boy has someone fallen hook line and sinker for the BS that big brother is spoon feeding.
     
    Pitties had a working job that they were bred for (can't remember what without waaaay more coffee) BEFORE idiots decided to turn them killing each other into "sport".  Even then, pitties were bred for DOG agression, not human agression.  As in any breed you'll find a few "bad apples" and with irresponsible breeding those agressive traits are passed on to future generations.
     
    I do not now, nor have I ever owned a pittie, but I've made the acquaintance of MANY and I have never feared for my own personal safety.  And I'm one of those idiots who, when out for a walk will literally sit down on the ground to meet a dog who happens my way.  I judge dogs on attitude and body language and in my 52 years have been bitten ONE time, and that by a supposedly trained guard dog...a gsd who blindsided me.  Never saw him coming until it was too late.  And I now OWN six german shepherds.
     
    Yes, pitties have strong jaws.  But so do shepherds.
     
    It is NOT the breed that is the problem, it is the idiot owners who turn them into "tough" dogs or fighters who should be banned.
     
    to the OP...that is one seriously CUTE pup!
    • Gold Top Dog
    I think if just bred in a backyard and brought up by an owner who doesn't really understand dog psychology or to train using positive methods then yes, left to there own devices they can be sort of loose cannons. 

    But, if bred correctly and raised correctly, they are no more likely to be vicious than any other correctly raised breed. 

    For example, I've sat for people who had pit bulls and pit bull mixes that were not well bred and who were raised not really having a good leader, I always kept my guard up with them, never fully trusted them. 

    However, I had a friend who bred pit bulls and I was completely comfortable with her well bred, well raised dogs. 

    My dog is also a perfect example of this, I had to work unbelieveably hard to get her to be safe for even us.  And, she's still not completely trust worthy with others. But, there are people on my chow forum who got their dogs from good breeders and those dogs are fine with other dogs, the entire family, including the children, etc.

    I think Jeter is going to have a great life and if for some reason temperment does become an issue in the future it seems like you care enough about him to correct it the right way before it becomes an issue.  I also heard all kinds of things from people about chows when I first got Willow.  I did keep them in the back of my mind, some of it was right, some wasn't.  But, I learned the proper way to train and handle her and have had no issues since.  Now, I did make a few mistakes and their were a few times when her reaction wasn't what I wanted, but you keep going and learning and it will work out.  It won't be over night but in the end it will be worth it.
    • Gold Top Dog
    The  pitbull ban in Ontario was one of the worst mistakes our government has ever made.  I am disgusted that those people were ever voted in in the first place.  The ban hurt a breed and not the people that made the monsters.  It is not the breed that is vicious.  It is the owners that made them that way.  And what happened to them?  Nothing.  The had to muzzle their dogs or have them put down.  Do you think they cared about their dogs?  No they just went out and got Rotties.  So what is next Rotties?  Then Mastiffs?  Then Chows?  Its absurd.  The only thing that was on the right track was the breeding being restricted to purebreds.  But IMO that should be a law straight across the board.  Every breed, (save huskies lol)
    • Gold Top Dog
    So far I'm not having any problems with my pit and his behavior.  He's really sweet, and he responds well to my commands.  I've never been afraid of pitbulls, their just like any other breed.  It all depends on how you raise them.  I personally am trying my best to be a good mommy to Jeter.  If you show your pit that that you care for them, and teach them good things, they won't turn on you.  I've heard that from a lot of people, and I will do just that!
    • Gold Top Dog
    Dogs were bred with a purpose. Read about the purpose and uses of the pitbull as far back as you can go and you'll see why so many believe a pitbull can anver be a trusted sweet dog forever. Its not just BS that people fear these dogs. There is well documented facts/instances where these dugs chew the faces off of people. Its the breed if you ask me. I would never have one. It always a metter of WHEN, not IF they turn viscious, as they were bred to be.

    Your pup is so absolutely adorable, but...I can't get past the but!
    Sorry.

    In Ontario, pitbulls are banned unless purebred with papers, muzzled all the time, and there is a registry you MUST be on to keep your dog. Breeding is prohibited unless registered with another purebred to prevent breed contaminiatio. The theory is, the pitbull is so viscious, the government wants to know where EVERY SINGLE dog IS, who owns it, what its history of violence is. THAT has to say something about the breed itself. They do not want this breed mixed with other dogs because it will alter the other dogs to become more viscious as a breed, over a long time.

    I'm concerned for the outcome of all adorable pitbull pups because yes, they are adorable pups, but what will their life become if they are tru to their nature??

    Sorry. I think yes, all pitbulls are agressive and no-one will stop them or be able to pull them off when they are attacking.

     
     
    If your argument was correct, then Border Collies would still be eating sheep instead of herding them.  And, you would never be able to stop the chase once initiated.
     
    Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are simply adding to the unnecessary hysteria.  I find that more of my students have problems with Labrador Retrievers biting than Pits.  Why?  Because the Pit owners I know take pains to train and socialize their dogs, plus they never let their guard down and assume that the dog will like other dogs.  This is a breed that is generally wonderful with people, and is one of the best breeds with children *IF* they do not perceive that the kid is another dog, and if they are properly trained.  But, that is true for many other breeds, including most of the herding group, which are prone to chase and nip, as well as act as guardians.  Had I not socialized, trained, and managed my Aussie pup, she might have chased and bitten someone.  As it is, I can take her into groups of screaming, running children and all she does is wait for them to toss her a ball or give her a hug.  But, I never just leave her in the company of kids - I supervise her activity level all the time.  This issue is more about responsible ownership and stewardship of difficult breeds, than it is about the inherent danger of a particular breed.  All dogs have weapons in their mouths.
    (And, by the way, the locking jaws theory is absolutely false.)
    • Gold Top Dog
    LMAO spirit dogs I was just going to comment on the whole 'locking jaws' thing!
    That is absolutely false, thats my argument with my step dad when it comes to pit, which he always tells me 'their grip is more powerful than any other breed when they hold on they dont let go' That is BS. You can get pit that will swing from a rope and not let go, or a champion tug of war pit but its not because they have super powerful jaws. Its because they WONT let go. Let me tell you these dogs can be stubborn when holding on to something and let me tell you they will simply chose not to let go. But they are no more powerful than lets say, a Labs jaw, or a GSD's jaws.
     
    There is always one person who chooses to ruin a perfectly good post. But its just mostly ignorance, I am constantly arguing (debating) with my step dad on the same sunbject but why? because he is ignorant of the facts
    • Gold Top Dog
    forpaws posted this in anouther secton of the forum but I thought it would be important to post here was well

    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1148681732379

    Goes to show that pit are only the medias breed of choce in this argument over agression. If this breed is gone than anouther breed will only fall into it's place as the agressive breed. The same way rotties and dobies have been in the past. They are nice sweat dogs and just like all dogs just want attention and love, why can't some people accept that. Yes they were bread with a purpose but so are all dogs, however, most dogs not do not live up to the purpose they where bread for anymore.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Xebby I totally agree with u. All dogs were bred for a purpose but most dogs now a day arent actually used for those things. I mean, I had a Shih Tzu and they were bred to be lap dogs, strictly companions, but I did show her and after that failed (she was too shy and hated it) I got her to do some agility. Now wasnt she supposed to be a lap dog?
     
    My fathers pit bull. Werent they supposed to be pit dogs/fighting dogs? Well she weight pulled, did obedience, and was an overgrown lap dog. Now wasnt she supposed to be a fighter?
     
    My current dog is a Collie. They were bred to herd. Though she is a part time child herder (were working on that...lol) she is a full time house pet. She is starting obedience and I will try agility with her, but she will not be herding anysheep in the near future since sheep dont fit in my house :-)
     
    But thats exactly my point, were in the year 2006 were most dogs have become pets, and it is very few the ones that you see actually doing what they were bred to do
    • Bronze
    Pit Bulls do no have to be aggressive. I have a Pit Bull that is fine in a dog park setting. He likes to play rough but does not bite. I have seen Golden Retrievers and Labs bite too. I have seen alot more aggressive dogs than my pit. I think it is all in the training. If they were trained to fight in the "Pit", they cannot be trusted to be any different out of the ring. Anything can trigger that attitude once embedded.
    • Gold Top Dog
    No, all Pit Bulls are not aggressive. However, it isn't ALL about how you raise them.... as with any breed, temperament is inherited. If it wasn't then Border Collies wouldn't have herding instincts and Rottweilers wouldn't have guarding instincts. Sure you can modify their behavior, but the temperament will remain the same. Sometimes a person can do everything right and still end up with an aggressive dog (of any breed). So I think environment plays a big part, but also genetics.

    It just isn't accurate to judge an entire breed as one that will "turn", because that DEFINITELY isn't the case. It's all about that individual dog's inherited temperament and training/life experiences.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My first experiance working with a pit bull was this oversized pit named Bubba. He had just been neutered but we borded him for about a week after his surgery. He looked scary to me when I first saw him, like most, the only stories I've heard about pits didn't have good outcome. He was just a big baby, he would jump up on me and put his paws on my sholders and give me a nice slobery kiss. When I wasn't looking he would knok over his food dish into his water and there I was agen in his kennel cleening up his mess. After Bubba I had no fear of pits, they really just need someone to love them and give them a home.

    Yes all dogs have breed specific trates. My Gizmo is so much a border collie, always in need of something to heard or do, just can't sit still but always has a smile on her face. I have trained her to be an indoor dog which I didn't think at first was possible for a BC. Just goes to show that dogs will have certain trates common in the breed but with proper training can also be adjusted to match your needs.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: sym100000

    Dogs were bred with a purpose. Read about the purpose and uses of the pitbull as far back as you can go and you'll see why so many believe a pitbull can anver be a trusted sweet dog forever. Its not just BS that people fear these dogs. There is well documented facts/instances where these dugs chew the faces off of people. Its the breed if you ask me. I would never have one. It always a metter of WHEN, not IF they turn viscious, as they were bred to be.

    Your pup is so absolutely adorable, but...I can't get past the but!
    Sorry.

    In Ontario, pitbulls are banned unless purebred with papers, muzzled all the time, and there is a registry you MUST be on to keep your dog. Breeding is prohibited unless registered with another purebred to prevent breed contaminiatio. The theory is, the pitbull is so viscious, the government wants to know where EVERY SINGLE dog IS, who owns it, what its history of violence is. THAT has to say something about the breed itself. They do not want this breed mixed with other dogs because it will alter the other dogs to become more viscious as a breed, over a long time.

    I'm concerned for the outcome of all adorable pitbull pups because yes, they are adorable pups, but what will their life become if they are tru to their nature??

    Sorry. I think yes, all pitbulls are agressive and no-one will stop them or be able to  ;pull them off when they are attacking.

     
    I am sorry but this is, by far, the most uneducated and paranoid thing I've ever read on this forum...  In fact I have yet to meet a truely aggressive pit bull.  Probably because all the ones I've met have responsible owners who worked with them.  I would actually like to own one some day, as they are a favorite breed of mine, up there with Border Collies, Corgis, Australian Cattle Dogs, etc.
     
    I also agree that BSL is a bunch of crap, and am happy to say that the ban has once again been lifted in Denver.
    • Gold Top Dog
    No, all Pit Bulls are not aggressive. However, it isn't ALL about how you raise them.... as with any breed, temperament is inherited. If it wasn't then Border Collies wouldn't have herding instincts and Rottweilers wouldn't have guarding instincts. Sure you can modify their behavior, but the temperament will remain the same. Sometimes a person can do everything right and still end up with an aggressive dog (of any breed). So I think environment plays a big part, but also genetics.

    It just isn't accurate to judge an entire breed as one that will "turn", because that DEFINITELY isn't the case. It's all about that individual dog's inherited temperament and training/life experiences.

     
    Very well put!!!!  I remember having mothers pull their children aside when I used to walk my Dobe down the road - the year was 1985, when Dobes were the "bad" dogs.   While Orca would not have let a burglar into my home, she was the best girl in the neighborhood - a real marshmallow to those who took the chance to greet her.  She was a product of genetics, training, and as a rescue with a history of neglect - plain old dumb luck.  But, one of the better dogs I have owned.  (Hey, do I say that about all my dogs? [;)])
    • Gold Top Dog
    I think I know absolutely ZERO aggressive pits.  I know way more aggressive labs, goldens, collies, newfies and mixed breeds than pits. 

    In this case, nurture is more important than nature.  Anybody can make any dog aggressive.  IMO it's stupid owners that want to have "the toughest" dog that are to blame.  Once the APBTs are gone, they'll be banning Rotties, Dobies, Neos, Mastiffs, GSDs and any other dog that shows a tooth unexpectedly.