Shadow is driving me NUTS...need some excellent idog advice

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    Shadow is driving me NUTS...need some excellent idog advice

    Brief history for those who don't know....Shadow was a singleton pup and so had no littermates from whom to learn a lot of stuff.  He has always been very vocal and a bit of a pain as far as mouthing.  We worked hard on bite inhibition so it's generally just mouthing, but I still don't like it on the rare times that it happens.
     
    Since we have moved he will NOT shut up.  Anytime he sees me he starts barking and carrying on and makes it impossible for me to accomplish anything.  During the cooler morning hours  the dogs are in the dog yard with access to the 3 plus car garage.  I have the mound of the owners STUFF barricaded off and of course I have to climb over the barrier to get to my work shop.  That or open the overhead door which is really heavy.  By the time I get THROUGH the dogs, with Shadow leading the charge of barking, and mouthing, I've half the time forgotten what the heck it was I went out there for and then I have to do it all again.  Some days I literally feel like I'm a prisoner in my house.
     
    I just had the thyroid levels done and they are fine, so this is ALL behavioral.  I've started giving him one on one time in the morning while everyone else eats breakfast but that doesn't seem to be enough.  Shadow has always been excitable but now he's gone to all new levels.
     
    Just now I went to get some coffee and glanced out the kitchen window, noticed that Tyler was holding up a leg like he'd been hurt so I started out to check on him and Shadow came TEARING out of the garage to bark at me.  I NEEDED to check Tyler and everyone else got back when I asked them too, but not old Shadow.  Normally when he starts I turn around and walk back in the house without a word, but right now I've got stuff to do that I really NEED to do and I need access to stuff that's in the garage.  And I need to be able to walk outside without being SCREAMED at by him.  I can let every other dog inside and all five will hang out with me and lay down and stay out of my way.....Shadow is constantly up my butt and getting everyone else riled up so it makes it impossible for me to have everyone in the house at the same time without a blasted riot.  And it's all Shadow.  I'm at a loss.
     
    The barking at me has GOT to stop, the mouthing I can deal with, but that would be nice to loose too, and the refusal to settle, the ignoring of commands.....I'm at my wits end with this boy.
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    Gosh Glenda, I'm sure on top of the stress of the move, this has just added to your stress level.  I can relate a little because my other lab, Buffy, is very hyper and gets nutty whenever I go out back too.  I have a more serious problem in that if I say anything to her, like "Buffy, settle down" in a tone that sounds stern, then Sassy thinks she needs to intervene, then Buffy gets nervous.....anyway, it's tough sometimes.  What I realized was my stress was apparent (to them) and so they were reacting to it.  Do you think Shadow could be sensing it in you?  I got the impression that his behavior isn't new, but just worse, but maybe with all the disruptions he's taking longer than the others to adjust?  Beyond some of the things you're already doing, I'm not sure what to suggest but hopefully someone else will have some suggestions.
    Hope you're enjoying the new home inspite of all this though [:)].
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    I am actually rather stressed when I go into the garage.  I've put a gate up to keep them off the landing, but I still have to get THROUGH the gate and down the stairs.  I've actually been trying to surprise them by using the walk through door, the overhead of the BACK door through their gate.  And Shadow's behavior is the stresser!
     
    But, walking out in the backyard to say check the progress of the swimming pool filling, I'm not stressed......but I'll be darned if I'm gonna have to check for Shadow in the yard and SNEAK out either!  I just a few minutes ago went outside to put some clean sneakers on the back deck to dry and I got greeted yet again.....this time I picked up my glass of ice water and just dumped it on him.  It's bad when I am loosing my temper like that!
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    I'm sorry to hear this is just adding to your stress!!  I also think it sounds like Shadow is having a harder time than the others adjusting to the move - did you leave the dogs at any point during the move?  Is he nervous that you will leave him, or can you not figure out why he is being sooo annoying?  I have never had more than one dog (unlike you [:)]), so I am not sure it would work, but, when Wesley gets hyper and out of control, he gets tied to me, he can't play, he can't roam around, and check things out, he is where I am, but I pay no attention to him - it might work with the others all having fun out there and Shadow just has to sit or lay by your side all day and do nothing (unless this is what he wants - in which case - this is clearly not the way to go...).  So sorry not to be of more help!  Maybe someone can suggest something he can take (herbal if you don't want to medicate him) to chill out for a few days...  It sounds like he is a high strung guy already and the move has really set him off!  I hope you get a break from this somehow - with everything else - it is just TOO MUCH!!
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    You know, we didn't leave him for over nite or anything.  I made my plans for working down here around DS's work schedule, and everytime I left I told them I was going to see Grandma.....rather than explain "to the new house", although we did talk about the new house a lot.  Maybe not enough...maybe that's it.  BUT, Shadow has moved 4 times now in his short life, so he ought to be used to it!
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    He ought to be is right [:'(]!!  It stinks...  I am sending calm vibes, for Shadow,  your way!!  Has he gotten to explore the full property yet?  Could that be it?  Is this different behavior for him from other moves??
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    Oh, Shadow!

    Might some rescue remedy help?
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    I can definitely relate. I had a Cocker Spaniel that gave new meaning to the words NEEDY and PUSHY.
     
    It was the combination of his whining, being literally under my feet every second, and the pushiness that literally stressed me out. Then after I got Gingerbread, my Cocker constantly pestered him to the point that I kept them separated by a babygate. :( I spent over a year trying my hardest to work on the behavior with training and management, but it was just a major personality clash and I ended up taking him back to his breeder this March. Life is much more peaceful here and his new owners report that he's a complete joy. Apparently personality is like beauty- in the eye of the beholder.

    I wish I had some advice for you, but it sounds like Shadow just has a more high strung personality than the others. Hope you come up with a reasonable solution soon because I know exactly how un-fun it is to deal with a situation like that. [&:]
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    Unfortunately, I can't take him back to the breeder, since he was the result of an opps litter of MINE.  Neither Thor or Sheba act like this, and Sheba is totally velcro.
     
    If I let him out of his crate before Thunder in the morning, he goes tearing to Thunders crate like he wants to kill him with the barking, snarling, etc, yet DH can let him out and he quietly walks up the stairs to be let out.  However, on Sunday Todd did see what a jerk he was being when we were out working on the lawn.
     
    I must have a sign on my forehead that either says "I LIKE cutting long grass and weeds" or "I need the exercise"  cuz this is the second house in a row that I've gotten that has out of control growth that we have to knock down.  At this point, no one has gotten to explore the entire property....it's only about an acre surrounded by 300 plus of nothing, but bordered on three sides by the big jack pines.  At this point, I don't want them, or me, roaming around in the long grass and we're working as fast as we can trying to get it SHORT and unattractive to snakes as quickly as possible.  DS cut most of the front yard and the dog yard and part of the back yard last week.....but we've had a ton of rain so it didn't even look like it had been cut.  Finishing it up was on the weekend list but it rained all day Saturday and Sunday, despite working on it all day, it didn't get finished.  There is still about a third of it to finish.
     
    I don't think that DH disbelieved me, but I do think that he thought perhaps I was exaggerating.  He saw for himself on Sunday and it bothered HIM so much that he shut Shadow in the garage for a bit.  And please remember that it's an enormous garage, even with half of it barricaded off with ceilings you need an extension ladder to get to the rafters, so it isn't some tiny dark place that we were putting him.
     
    This move was stressful only because the owner didn't LEAVE like he was supposed to and I had to do a lot of Plan B ing.......but once I realized that the stress was actually causing allergic type, system wide reactions, I stopped letting it get to me and just tried to go with the flow.  Because I had chicken pox as an adult, I carry the herpes virus in my system, and severe stress often triggers a shingles attack.  Just last week I was thinking that with all that had NOT gone according to plan A it was amazing I wasn't a mess of shingles, and bam, two days later it started.  And I *think* that the only stressor right now is Shadow.
     
    I'm not entirely settled yet, but the stuff I haven't finished is stuff that I could finish if someone just had time to help me with things like shelves that are too heavy for me to lift to install.  The lack of upper body strength is a big source of frustration to me.  I would have had the blasted grass cut a week ago if I could start the darned mower by myself.  So I do get frustrated that my body won't let me do the things I want to do.
     
    Maybe Shadow is just reacting to me.  Maybe the not being settled completely is showing in some ways that I don't realize.  But honestly, mostly it's the little stuff, like the right bedding in the guestroom, and odds and ends scattered around in our room, that I don't see during the day so I don't think to do something about.  Then at the end of the day I go, oh crap, I still haven't done X, Y or Z.  Guess I should do a walk through and make myself a list and just get more systematic about attacking things.  It's the little clutterey stuff that bugs me.
     
    So maybe its all me.  He certainly doesn't act this way with Todd, with the exception of the dreadful barking on Sunday....but he was barking at ME.  And I can almost understand him barking when I'm using the weed trimmer or the lawnmower cuz they make BIG noises, but when I go out to sit on the back deck?  Or to put sneakers out there to dry in the sun?
     
    Our front deck is enormous...it's about 30 foot wide and runs the entire length of the house.  In the afternoons I take the dogs out there when the sun is hot in the backyard and usually sit out there with them once Todd calls that he's on his way home.  FIVE dogs mind me blindly.  For Shadow I had to put gates up to keep him on the deck.  There are black bears in this area and I don't really want him running across the driveway and getting into the deep woods and into trouble.  And he is the one who flat out refuses to listen to me.
     
    So, we're getting into a vicious circle.  Every day I resent his behavior more, and I *think* in reaction, every day it gets worse.  I'm at a loss.  I truely don't know what to do with him.  And I surely don't like feeling this angry at him all the time.
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    I am sorry to hear Shadow is stressing you so much but at least it keeps me from feeling like a total failure when my foster ACD makes me stressed - LOL! 
     
    When Sirius first came to us she was a basket case (abuse/neglect).  The first couple of weeks I gave her some Stress-Eze from Walgreens.  It has some Valerian root and other herbs that help with stress but keep the mind clear - I have taken it myself on occasion.  I gave her 2 tablets twice a day with cheese and it did seem to help her some.  She's 35 lbs so adjust amount accordingly. 
     
    I think he is stressed with the move and is feeding on your stress.  Anyway you can spend time with extra training and hand feeding him right now to see if it ups his respect of you?  Making him earn every piece of his morning kibble might help.
     
    *Sigh*  I feel your pain and hope you find something that works.  Good luck.   
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    My Cocker also acted totally differently with my husband. The dog stressed me out, which stressed him out and it was a neverending cycle. It was definitely a personality mismatch because Gingerbread actually has a calming effect on me.
     
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    Glenda,
     
    You needed this like a hole in your head.  My guess is that time will heal this problem, but you are a bit short on that right now.  I haven't got a clue what you got going on there, just wanted to send you some good thoughts and hope for serenity now.  With all you've done with all the dogs you've had, you can undoubtedly solve this, but what a horrid time to have to tackle a dog gone insane issue. 
     
    Angela
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    I just realized from Lizzies thread that HE'S HERDING ME!!  The barking the nipping, that's all that all of this is.  Well, attacking Thunders crate isn't, but, THIS behavior with me is herding.  I haven't seen this in quite awhile and I never thought of it.  At least I have a name for it now!!!  Yipppeee.  Now I need Anne and Mic to step in and walk me through undoing this behavior.
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    Hope you can get some help on this soon, Glenda. 
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    Ok....a need a little more info from you. 
     
    Is Shadow a soft dog or a harder dog?
     
    What kind of obedience work have you done?
     
    What is his exercise schedule like?
     
    What is the feeding schedule?