Is it agression?!?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Is it agression?!?

    I recently brought in a 8wk old stray probable pit mix puppy. He is really a sweet dog. But there have been a few times when he is all wound up and its time to go to the crate that he has growled and tried to bite. I don't know if it agression, or if he is just upset because he has too much energy and is being put in the crate. I went and bought him a new crate today, he was using my toy poodle's crate, but he is too big for it. I just didn't know if this was something to worry about. He hasn't had any other problems other than those few times. Most of the time he doesn't want to go in, but does anyway.
    • Gold Top Dog
    not necessarily aggression,  far more likely a toddler trying to influence you not to do something.  Start basic training now and enroll in a class as soon as he is age eligible.  Throw a cookie in the crate to entice them in.  There are lots of management strategies that will prevent a dogs from developing those less desirable behaviors.  This puppy is untrained and doesnt know the rules. Find ways to show the puppy how to do things that get the puppy's needs met.  Sitting quietly for petting, giving a up a toy gets some thing in trade and in the future the toy gets thrown again.  etc.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I can tell you right now, right off of the bat that a pit bull is NOT going to turn out to be a good dog if it has to EVER be crated (in that manner), thats like crating a horse, pure cruelty! Plus you say you put it in there when it still has a lot of energy, it dosnt want to go but you make it anyway. I have NEVER  placed judgement on someone here on the forum but I am telling you right now in the most respectable way I can that is not ok! That is exactly how dogs become vicious, nervous, unpredictable dogs. Its a shame really because all of us responsible pit bullowners get work EXTRA hard to ensure they have wonderful lives and that they dont become extinct do to BSL laws and negative circumstances
    • Gold Top Dog
    Crating turns dogs vicious,  and you know this how?  Sorry, a blanket statement about the cruelty of crating is problematic.  Any tool can be misused.  Crating is a far more effective way to safely contain a puppy who is not trained.
     
    guess my dogs are all vicious too. the dobes, gsds and belgians since they are crated as puppies and as adult dogs.  Safety for traveling,  safety for emergencies, conditioning for vet stays and kenneling.
    • Gold Top Dog
    a pit bull is NOT going to turn out to be a good dog if it has to EVER be crated

     
    Poppycock.  Tell that to the best Pit that ever hit my play group - happy, social, dog-friendly - and crate trained!  And he isn't the only one that turned out to be a great dog.  The key to crate training is that you use the crate judiciously, sparingly, and never as a punishment.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

    a pit bull is NOT going to turn out to be a good dog if it has to EVER be crated


    Poppycock.  Tell that to the best Pit that ever hit my play group - happy, social, dog-friendly - and crate trained!  And he isn't the only one that turned out to be a great dog.  The key to crate training is that you use the crate judiciously, sparingly, and never as a punishment.

     
    ok so maybe I worded my statement incorrectly. I never meant to insinuate that a crated dog will be a aggressive one. It seemed clear to me that he was putting his dog in tehre without properly exercisng him and forcing him to go in at improper times. It seems as if he uses force to get the dog in there which in turn can seem as a punishment to the dog, especially since he was using one WAY too small....meant for a poodle. How is that not cruel? A crate should be a safe haven for a puppy who has been exercised and introduced to it in a pleasing way
    • Gold Top Dog
    Thank you to the people that gave me useful information.
     
    The plan right now is
    I went out and bought a bigger crate, and one that is metal cage like.... Like I said he was using my other dog's crate for awhile. *I've had him for a week now. He wasn't a planned pup. I found him at a Wal-Mart, skinny, infested with hookworms. I had to use my other dog's crate which I think was a little too small for him, and it was a plastic kind he couldn't see out of.* I think being able to see around him, and more room will help him get more used to it. I put a few toys and rawhides in there. It coaxed him in, and he sat in there for about 10 mins before he even realized he was in it. I left the door open so he could get out.
    I realize he was too wound up when we were putting him in, and I realize that is not a good idea and part of why he was upset. But there is no way I would let him run around my room when it was time for bed, and he is definitely not allowed in my bed, as it has been claimed by the older dog, and I want it to stay Bear's place. But, I am going to work on excerciseing him more. I brought him around with me today while I worked. So he should be pretty tireewd tonight. Plus he really needs to have a walk every night. I don't do it with the other dogs because they go out in the backyard and play, however, the puppy isn't getting enough excercise in the backyard.
    This is the first time I have ever had a puppy this young. My other dogs (which all came from shelters) were a little older. So I have tons of learning to do. I am doing my best though.
     
    And as for the commment about crating him being creul.. I know thats crap. Not only is it a way for me to protect my house, and ;potty train him, its a way for him to stay safe. I have 2 other dogs that haven't quite warmed up to the idea of a new puppy. *They are gettin there though.*
     
    I would never, and have never done anything cruel to my dogs. EVER. period. I can tell you right off the bat, if you want to come at me with accusations like that, you better have researched what you're saying. Because I DO research things before I spew crap out of my mouth.  
    • Gold Top Dog
    "Force, no matter how concealed, produces resistance"
    Spiritdogs quote says it best! I felt that this man was using force, thats all
    • Gold Top Dog
    ok so maybe I worded my statement incorrectly. I never meant to insinuate that a crated dog will be a aggressive one. It seemed clear to me that he was putting his dog in tehre without properly exercisng him and forcing him to go in at improper times. It seems as if he uses force to get the dog in there which in turn can seem as a punishment to the dog, especially since he was using one WAY too small....meant for a poodle. How is that not cruel? A crate should be a safe haven for a puppy who has been exercised and introduced to it in a pleasing way

     
    General rule of thumb I like to live by, don't be so quick to judge. The crate was not WAY too small. In fact, he is the same size as my poodle right now. He is never forced in a mean way to get in the crate, he is talked to gently, petted as he is put in, and given a treat. I NEVER use the crate as punishment. I did in fact research crate training before I started it.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I didn't read anything in the OP that made me think anyone was being cruel.  Some puppies are just wound up, some are resistant to being placed in a crate.  So, putting the toys or a stuffed Kong in is a great idea.  I probably would not leave a dog crated alone with a rawhide because of the choking hazard.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I definately agree with the choking thing--no unattended rawhides.

    Sally (pit mix) was about a year old when we got her, and NOT housetrained at all and actually had no training whatsoever (she was even scared of the leash at first).  We had to crate train her in order to keep our home intact while we were gone and housebreak her (I'd never housebroken a dog of any kind before--THAT was a trip).

    There were times that she didn't want to go into the crate, and I'm sure we made mistakes, but then we got wise.  We put the crate in our bedroom (that's her favorite room), and we made it an UBBER AWESOME place to be.  She got special yummy biscits that she only got when she went into her crate.  She got her frozen raw knuckles (only while we were home) in her crate, and we occasionall give her a treat ball in there.

    Now, all you have to do is grab a biscit and say "Crate" and she happily trots from the kitchen into the bedroom and into the crate.  In fact, if the door is shut (but still unlocked) she will paw it open to get in the crate because she knows that only when she is in will the treats come.  Sometimes she will sleep in her crate now at night rather than her bed or ours and when we give her her evening meal (we feed it out of a treat ball) she takes it straight to her crate to eat it.

    Abuse, neglect, social isolation, aggressive parents, etc are the things that make a dog aggressive, not crating.