Need suggestions on barking problem

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    Need suggestions on barking problem

    Hi everyone,
     
    My father passed less than a year ago. b4 he passed he made me promise that I would take care of his two dogs. I have them now and they just don't mind very well. One is a poodle that is 8 years old, the other is a mix poodle and something else. Their behavior is HORRIBLE. They bark all the time. A truck can drive down the road and they are in the backyard barking..They have and will bark at the wind. I don't know how to stop this and I really am getting to the point I don't like them much. I have tired to work with them, I have even tried those bark collars. They know how to turn them around on their neck so they don't work. I really don't want to tighten them any tighter. I get so mad b/c I know they are smart....they are just very good at acting stupid when it suits them...grrrrrrrrrrr   
     
    If anyone can offer some advice I'd appreciate it.  :)  Thanks in advance and nice meeting all you.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Since it sounds like your relationship with these dogs is in jeopardy, to quell the barking right away, you could try a Gentle Spray Citronella Collar [linkhttp://www.premierpet.com]www.premierpet.com[/link].  Usually, I would opt for training first, but it sounds like they are fraying your last nerve right now, LOL.  And, you certainly don't need that at such a time in your life.
    From the dogs' perspective, they have lost their support, their packmate and friend.  They are unsure of themselves, and want to part of a new pack, but are alert to all possibilities for danger.  Dogs don't understand that humans hate barking (as for me, I prefer barking to primates screeching, but that's another matter...).
    It's important to realize that even an 8 year old dog can learn.  I would suggest taking them (separately) to a good positive reinforcement class.  You can find one at [linkhttp://www.clickertraining.com]www.clickertraining.com[/link].  Poodles, even those of advanced age, are quite smart and pick up training easily, if you just learn how to do it.  If my adopted Yorkie could go to class at age 15, these guys sure can (she's 17 now).
    Good luck and let us know how you make out.
     
    BTW, I suggested clicker training, since it has worked well for teaching dogs to be quiet, even in a shelter environment!
    But, you are unlikely to get dogs to completely stop barking if you leave them outside unattended.  Go out with them, or keep them in, and don't let them practice the bad behavior.  Barking is a frustration behavior, and can be very self-reinforcing.  Try not to yell at them, they just think you are barking back LOL, and so they keep "talking".
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    Hi -- I agree with everything Anne said, but I'm going to do some plain speaking here as well.  WE don't know you at all, so please don't misunderstand -- I'm not getting up your nose or being nasty -- but also trying to help explain this a bit.
     
    First off -- your post talks bout them barking outside -- and I'm getting the feeling these started out as inside dogs, that probably drove you nuts barking inside, and so now they're outside, maybe most of the time (because they drive you nuts barking)??
     
    Realize dogs bark for several reasons.
     
    1.  They bark to communicate -- with their pack (YOU, frustrating as it may be for all 3 of you), and with each other, but also as a warning to those they want to go away.
     
    2.  They bark out of boredom or frustration (a lot of that in this).
     
    3.  They bark to scare away things they are unsure of or fear (more than possible here).
     
    My guess is that you may not be a 'dog person' -- and you are simply honoring a parent's request.  But you may not have the first idea of how to relate to these animals, nor figure out how to get them to behave enough TO tolerate them.  That's no condemnation -- that is simply "understanding" -- and you'll find help here if you're willing to work on this from a logical perspective.
     
    But it will take time.  And effort.
     
    My initial guess is that the dogs likely sense your frustration and perhaps your dislike so they aren't motivated TO obey you or work with you.  Dogs grieve -- sometimes they grieve a lot.  And the guess is that probably your parent wasn't very good at training to begin with.  Perhaps just gave in and doted on them.  But likely didn't put them in a position where they barked out of frustration or boredom as much.
     
    Honestly, training is the only suitable answer here.  You may have absolutely NO interest in clicker training or positive nuthin!  But ... let's explore the alternatives. 
     
    You continue as it is -- eventually you are going to get rid of them because you (or your neighbors) can't tolerate the noise. 
     
    You try to ignore it -- that won't work and it will make you angry -- that will make you resent yourparent's memory among other things.  Guilt.
     
    You just get rid of them -- against the wishes and you agreed to care for them ... guilt (and anger).
     
    Or ... you do what is necessary to deal with them.  And frankly -- training DOES work.  And in total honesty .. you may just find out what it was your parent saw in them.  You may find there lurks inside of you a 'dog person' you never knew was there. 
     
    Can I suggest things to read? 
     
    There are books aplenty -- but just do an internet search for this whole line (quotes and all)
     
    "Nothing In Life Is Free" dog training
     
    You'll get a lot of hits -- with a lot of ideas, but mostly very similar stuff.  Most of it written for people NOT saavy about dog training.  But you will find that with just some modifications to how you feed them (you don't feed them until they 'sit' and are 'ready' and then you put the bowl down).  But pretty quickly you will get some results positive for you.
     
    Once you get some results, you'll find it's easier to contemplate "dog training" per se. 
     
    It can work.  It can be very rewarding.  please ... give it a try. 
     
    But I can  promise you ... the problem isn't JUST barking.  The problem is that they have not a clue how to obey you.  They may, in fact, not really have a clue how to 'obey' anyone.  And when a dog does obey you ... it's really pretty darned pleasant.  But getting communication going between you and the dogs so they understand what you want (and one of the things you "want" is them NOT to bark!!  They don't get that!  No matter how you yell, or get frustrated -- they don't understand that.) -- but once there is some responsive communication between you and the dogs it will seem more possible.
     
    Please -- let us help.  There are a lot of good people on here who care.  And honestly?  Anne IS a trainer .. it's what she does!! And you're getting freebie help here!
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    Hi, it has been awhile since I have posted, but every time I do its the same ole stuff. I also have 2 shih tzu's, brother and sister.. They are about 3 1/2 years old.. They too have severe barking problems.. Either at other animals, people walking by , just about anything.. They just go nuts.. We have tried so much to curb it, but no luck.. When they are barking at other animals, than they start fighting each other.. I've tried the time out, no bark collars, (no shock collars) bringing them in or putting them out.. They know that it about drives us nuts, as they will stop when told, but as soon as our backs are turned, they start it again... It is so embarrasing at times, as we cant seem to get it under control....When someone comes to the house, whether its a friend, family, postman, etc. they start barking and my female screams. I usually try to keep and eye on things outside, so I can head the barking off before it starts.. But many times I cant... I understand the frustration, They can be the sweetest things when they want to be, but are they can drive us up a wall.  So if you can get this figured out, please let us know....
    • Gold Top Dog
    Though both Cher50 and Bobtail seem to have similar problems I think that the causes are quite different, but the solutions can be similar.
     
    The poodles are outside and are probably bored, unsure of the new sights/sounds/smells not to mention that they are missing their old pack member.  So they bark.  This can be solved with a variety of methods but I like the clicker training method already posted.  It will stimulate their minds and give them more interaction with their new "person."
     
    The Shih-Tzus are barking at everything and anything and getting each other riled up to aggressive behavior.  I think some obedience training is being called for with these guys, that and alot of socialization.  Don't take them together no matter what.  They need to be seperated for this to work at all. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    I'm really surprised about these reports of the no-bark collars not working. I've seen them work on an amazing number of dogs. You have to make sure they are on TIGHT or the dogs can't feel the shock at all, and you have to keep them on for months to make sure.
     
    Dogs often seem to have very little voluntary control of their barking. Stimulus-response. Very hard to train some dogs to take control of the barking. Sometimes teaching a dog to voluntarily bark on command can teach the dog this control. Often owners attempts to get dogs to shut up actually encourage the dog to bark more. What do you think a dog thinks you are doing when you come out and yell? you must be barking too! And bored dogs rapidly learn they get attention from their humans if they bark (even negative attention is a good thing to a dog).  if you're patient you can stand there, wait for the dog to momentarily shut up, and then click and treat and shower the dog with attention.  
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