Help - don't want to get rid of dominant puppy

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    Help - don't want to get rid of dominant puppy

    Hi All,
     
    I'm a newer member and first time poster.  I've been reading through archives trying to find answers, but have finally decided to just "throw my problem out there".... I have a 3.5 to 4 month old vizsla male named tristan.  He is a sweet little dog, hates being alone and will follow you everywhere.  That's fine with me, as his breed is nicknamed the velcro dog.  Here is my issue... he is extremely mouthy/bity - all the time!  He always goes for the hands.  And he just doesn't mouth, about half the time, he applies enough pressure to break the skin.  He is also bossy and dominant when he wants to be. 
     
    I've noticed that during training or play or when he doesn't seem to be getting his way, he tends to snap or lunge.  He's not trying to bite or mame, I know the difference.  It just seems like he is trying to be dominant, telling me he simply doesn't want to do it.  For example, he knows that he is not allowed on the couch.  So, when playing or training, he will run and jump on it, then lay there and turn his head away from me.  When I walk over to him to remove him, he stands up and snaps at my hands, trying to keep me from moving him off.  I've tried alot of different techniques and nothing stops him.  It may slow him down for a little bit, but then he seems to work right through it.  Last night, while playing on the floor, he ran, jumped on the couch and started urinating.  He had just gone to the bathroom 15 mins before that.
     
    Then there are times, where just during normal play, he bites on the hands... if I go to pet him, etc.  He is like with with the rest of my family... it's to the point where no one really wants to be around him because they can't pet him or just sit in the same room with him.  He jumps all over everyone and mouths/bites hard, regardless if we yip or ignore him.  I usually end up having to put him in the crate.  I can deal with all of the puppy stuff - potty training, jumping, running, etc... but the mouthy/biting stuff is killing me.  I have marks from him breaking the skin on the backs of my hands because of this.  He has broken skin so many times I lost count.  Here's a list of the techniques I have tried.  None of these have made him bite softer either and with each new technique I've tried, I stuck with it for several days minimum:
     
    yelping, yelping and walking way, taught him off (which he almost always only listens to when I have a treat), Bitter apple spray on the hands, read the book the dog whisperer and did/am doing the whole dominant thing (long list), gently pushing my hand deeper into his mouth when he bites, standing completely still, holding his head still, looking him in the eyes and telling him off....  He gets two half hour walks a day, I train him for a half hour, several "short" walks and about an hour of play time.
     
    I'm afraid that this is going to turn into agression or extreme dominance as he gets older.  I've set structured rules for him.  Also, when I do things like walk down the stairs, he attacks my feet or pants the entire way down.  I have a 9 year old neice in the house and I don't want there to be any problems with biting or falling.  .  If I have to, I will *very sadly* get rid of him.  At just about 4 mos, his jaws are going to start getting stronger and he will be getting his adult teeth in.  Everything I've read says that once a dog learns that he is hurting you, he will mouth softer and eventually stop.  Tristan doesn't, he mouths just the same or harder...  I'm getting worried.  I'm running out of options, so if anyone can help, I would appreciate it.  Sorry for the long post!!
     
    Danielle
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    When my dominant pup tries mouthing me while I'm trying to pet him, I just take my hand back up and stop petting him... if he jumps up on me trying to MAKE me pet him, I simply stand up... I can tell when he's gotten the message when he sits his butt on the floor calmly and just looks up at me.  At that point, I reach back down and pet him... if he does it again, I repeat, but lately it only takes once, even if he's really excited.

    I don't use an "off" command for jumping... my other dog had it in her head that she could jump as long as she got down when I said "down."  No more of that.  Now if she jumps up, I just growl out a verbal correction (no, I don't yell at her, it's just a low, growly "ahhh..") and praise when all four paws are touching the floor again.

    As far as the couch thing, maybe you could tether the dog to you so that it can't jump on the couch?  I'm not sure as mine aren't allowed on the furniture...

    I don't do any of that staring, forcing, rolling stuff... physical, in-your-face stuff never worked for me.  My pup's breeder did all that extreme alpha stuff with him, and it obviously did not work, because he came to me with plenty of dominance problems at only 12 weeks old!  >O.o<
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    Google NILIF - and put him in strict boot camp.
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    NILIF and more exercise. A tired puppy is a happy puppy.
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    As I understand it, Vizlas are pretty active and it sounds like two half hour walks a day aren't enough exercise. I also don't understand the reasoning of putting your hand inside the dogs mouth to stop the mouthing. I would definitely start NILIF right away.Also, some dogs don't like it or see it as a challenge when you stare directly at them.[:)]
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    It is extremely RARE to find a truely dominate pup of this age.  It sounds to me like what you have is a pup who thinks that HE is in charge.
     
    Puppies nip and bite.  It's all part of being puppies.  Correct (no bite) and redirect (give an acceptable chew toy)  and PRAISE for chewing on the OK to chew on thing, and if that doesn't work, completely withdraw any and all attention.  Leave the room if you have to.  And, until this pup GETS that you are in charge, have him drag a leash so you can safely, without nips, remove him from furniture.
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    I don't remember the name of the author, but you might take a look at a book called Ruff Love, I used it when we were having dominance issues with Nigel and DH.  Sounds like he needs to be on a strict NILIF routine, I was really surprised how well it worked for us.
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    Marley is an active dog. We throw a backpack on him with a couple of water bottles in it on days we can't take 2 walks. It makes him work and seems to tire him!
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    Vizlas are a very active breed and the ones I've come across have more energy than just about any other dog.  I think the most important thing is that he has plenty of exercise, runs, walks and playtime.  Also use some of his natural hunting instincts in these games; let him sniff a toy and then hide it...make it increasingly difficult to find.  Plenty of rewards when he finds it.  I've found that making a dog use it's innate abilities to solve easy problems both encourages them and tires them out.
     
    Definitely read up on dominance issues and make sure YOU and the rest of the humans are alpha to this pup.  I don't remember who wrote it, but there's a pamphlet called "Leader of the Pack" that is a good reference.  Also I'd start obedience as soon as possible, and it might help to arrange play dates with other 4 legged friends.
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