Helping abused dogs?

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    Helping abused dogs?

    Does anyone have experience working with physically abused dogs?  My husband and I volunteer at the Humane Society.  We've come across several dogs that are absolutely terrified of him.  Often, the staff is not even aware of this because most of the vet techs, the vet, and the behaviorist are all smaller women.  We want to work with these dogs and help show them that they will not be abused anymore, but we're not sure how to go about this and don't want to frighten them more.

    Here is an example of what happens:  Saturday I decided to walk Elka (see photo below).  She is a large dog and rather mean looking.  I love walking the GSDs and GSD mixes.  When I walk a dog I haven't worked with before, I go to their kennel and crouch down so they can come and check me out before I open the latch and lasso them.  I did this and Elka came out of her bed to sniff my hand.  Just then, my husband came by and she quickly ran back to her bed, sat down, and made a quiet growling noise.  She would not look at him or me.  I asked him to leave, but Elka would not come back to the door so I left her alone for a while.  When I came back, she would not get out of her bed, but she was looking at me so I slowly went inside, gave her treats and talked to her for a minute.  She let me put the lead on and got up.  I usually put them in a dog run before the walk so they can stretch their legs first.  We were walking around in the dog run and she was coming to me and sitting for treats when my husband came out.  Elka ran to the farthest corner and crouched down.  Again, she would not even come back to me for treats.  My husband came in the run, but she kept running away from him with her tail down.  I got her back on the lead to go for a walk and my husband came by.  Elka hid behind me and kept looking away when he offered her treats.  I finally asked him to leave b/c she was only getting more scared.  We had a good walk and she was very happy to perform her tricks for my treats.

    In the past, my husband has noticed a lot of the pit bulls will run from him.  Some even growl and bare teeth.  Two weeks ago, we walked a lab and border collie mix that were kenneled together.  They were going along fine until my husband turned to look at something and the BC mix I had ducked away and tried to run.  He is also apparently very hand shy and not comfortable around my husband.

    We're not sure how to appropriately convince the dog he is not going to hit them.  He wanted to go in Elka's kennel and talk to her, but I said no b/c she actually runs and hides from him and since she's very big, I don't want her to react aggressively out of fear if he goes in her kennel.  I'm actually e-mailing the shelter right now b/c her Petfinder listing says nothing about her being shy or terribly fearful of men.  Any tips on how to help these poor dogs?

    Here is Elka.  I'm not sure what she is.  Looks like GSD and something.  She has the oddest face I've ever seen but I think she's beautiful.  Her face is a bit more scouly and wrinkley than in this photo.  She has a very sad, distant look about her most of the time.

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    This is the e-mail I composed, do you think it's good?  I don't want to be stepping on their toes if they are aware of this, but personally her reaction to my husband was such that if I were thinking of adopting this dog, I'd definitely want to know how she reacts around men and there is NO mention of this on her PetFinder listing or her sheet on her kennel.  What if a big guy passed by on a walk and without thinking, reached out to pet her?  She could bite!  [:(]

    "Hi! I'm a "Get Fit w/ Fido" volunteer and the other day I was walking Elka, the GSD mix.  She's a very sweet dog with me and loves to do her "sit" for a treat.  However, when my husband goes anywhere near her, she ducks down, growls, and tries to run and hide.  If he even walks by her kennel, it takes me a long time to convince her to come out for a walk and sometimes she will still ignore me b/c she is so upset by him just looking at her.  I guess she was abused, poor thing, and is absolutely terrified of larger men.  She will not look at him in the eye and if she cannot find a place to hide, she actually crouches down and growls or makes a howling noise while looking away.  Her reaction to his presence was so surprising to me I wanted to cry.  I've seen some hand shy dogs and other dogs that don't like men, but she was the worst yet.  I asked him not to go near her b/c I don't want her to feel cornered and react aggressively.  She's already given him plenty of warnings.  I noticed her Petfinder listing doesn't mention her fear of men and since most of the HS employees I see are small or average sized women, I wasn't sure if anyone was aware.  So I apologize if this was known, I just want the best for her, poor thing!"

    Should I send it?


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    I noticed her Petfinder listing doesn't mention her fear of men and since most of the HS employees I see are small or average sized women, I wasn't sure if anyone was aware.

     
    I think this statement is the crux of the post.  I definitely think they should be made aware of this, or if something were to happen after adoption you would have guilt for not saying so.  Clearly, she has a problem with at least your dh, so it may be other men as well.  They need to test her around men and re-write the Petfinder blurb.  I've seen dogs on that site that clearly mention fear of men, kids or whatever.  It's only fair to both the dog and potential adopter.
     
    She might just be best off with a single woman or 2 women living together.  Nothing wrong with you bringing what you encounter to the forefront.  
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    Thanks, I think I will send it then.  I'm pretty sure I've seen their own postings mentioning dogs only being appropriate for women.
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    In fact, they should be very happy to have you and your dh volunteering and being able to weed out some of these issues that might otherwise go unnoticed!  Good for you for catching this and hopefully avoiding a big disaster with her down the road![sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif]
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    Thanks.  I was going to send it to the link on PetFinder, but I think I'll send it directly to the behaviorist.  In our orientation, she said we could tell her anything we thought was out of the ordinary.  I've seen some other dogs be hand-shy around my hubby, but there was something about this one that rubbed me the wrong way.  I think her reaction to him scared me to the point that I could not trust she wouldn't go after him if he didn't back off.   It was also very upsetting that she didn't seem to recover after he left.  She continued to ignore me even though we'd been playing minutes before.

    Any ideas on how to stop this, or will she always be afraid?
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    Any ideas on how to stop this, or will she always be afraid?

     
    I don't know that.  Do you know her age and background?  To make it "better" she would have to be slowly desensitized to men.  That would take a very long time and may not go away totally.  I would think you could get it to be not quite as traumatic for her to be around men, but I don't think by the sounds of her that she'd ever be "cured" of this.  I would think her best bet for a happy life would be to live with a woman, but even then when she encounters men in the "real world" she will cower.  Her new owner will have to work with this issue, or make sure the vet is a female and never exposes her to strange men!
     
    People who own dogs with issues learn how to live with them and work around them.  Keeping the dog in her comfort zone might just be the only realistic way to go here.  I'd be curious as to what the behaviorist says and how to go about managing this.   
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    Her charts and Petfinder listing say she is ~2 yo and was brought in as a stray.  If that doesn't have "loose cannon" written all over it, I don't know what does.  They do temperament test every animal, but our behaviorist is a small woman and I don't know if they have a man help with the test.  The only guy I've ever seen working there is a vet tech, but I've never seen him interacting with the dogs, just cleaning, feeding, and doing stuff in the clinic area where we're not allowed.

    We go on Thursday evenings so I'm going to try her again tomorrow.  Saturday was the first time I've walked her even though she's been there forever.  The previous times, I was scared of her b/c she would growl/howl, but now I know it's b/c my husband was standing next to me everytime we went to pick out a dog.  Saturdays are also very busy so I want to devote more time to her tomorrow and see if she behaves the same way.