New puppy and new to this particular breed need some help feeling like im doing everything wrong.

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    New puppy and new to this particular breed need some help feeling like im doing everything wrong.

    Well a little background gunner is 8 months old and is a english pointer. I have had two boxers before but for some reason this guy is a totally different ball game. I got him from a older couple who just kept him out in the yard with no formal training. We have only been together for a month now. I understand things are going to be slower I did get a little agitated about him peeing in the house and spanked him a few times. I know it ISNT the right way by any means we have made tremendous progress there. He is super smart and has learned sit but only does it when he wants to as well as walking on the harness he constantly pulls and goes. I do live in a apartment but work in the oilfield and am constantly on the go and take him everywhere with me. I bought him a few toys from petsmart mind stimulation as well but he only seems to want to be right by me all the time. I just want to make sure that him wanting to be by me all the time is how this breed is supposed to act or just a change of enviormnet. I know this is alot of questions to sum it up I just would like to know how to get a little more respect from him and actual bonding any time i raise my voice now he hunkers down and cant stand to see him like that any way to get him over that not for sure if the other people actually beat him i gave him a few spankings but that was it and put him in the bathroom for a time out to renforce if you pee inside you get a time out. When i came back he was shivering almost as a panic attack am i just worrying to much?
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    Well, putting a dog in a time out for peeing in the house is pointless.  Might work with kids but kids understand why they're being banished.  Peeing indoors is pretty natural for a dog that was never house trained as a pup.  Start all over with the house training as though he were a young pup. 

    I would guess the clingy behavior will improve once you learn the right way to train and communicate with him.  I'd get into a class of some kind.  Find a trainer who uses positive methods.  Doing a structured class is a great way to bond with a new dog.

     I'm not sure what you mean when you say you want more respect from him.  I've learned that dogs respect fair leadership.  Being fair means you can't punish or correct if you haven't adequately taught the dog what you expect from him.  He's lived outside all his life with no training.  You've only had him for a month.  Be consistent and spend time every day training what you want in a fair consistent manner.  If he isn't getting it you need to examine how you've failed to communicate with him.  Yep, it's not the dog's fault if he's not learning, it's the human's fault for not being clear and consistent in the teaching and training. It's good to remember that dogs aren't all alike.  Some have more emotional baggage and they all have different temperments.

    If you want to do some reading you might check into books by Jean Donaldson (Culture Clash is one of my favorites), Patricia McDonnell is another great author and great animal behaviorist.  Victoria Stillwell, Pat Miller and Sophia Yin are all excellent authors and experts in the field of dog behavior and training.  Most of them have websites with blogs and articles that have tons of information.

    ETA   I meant to say welcome to the forum and also good luck with your new dog.  I'm glad he's found a new home with someone who wants to build a bond with him.  I hope you stick around and keep us updated on how he's doing. 

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    I totally agree and take full responsiblity for my shortcomings and as far as starting over I take him out every 30-45 after we feed and water and praise him repeteadly for his good potty outside and that was our first hurdle to clear!!! Respect was a poor choice I think he just choses to listen sometimes and other times just blows me off which I can understand as far as we are new to one another enviorments. Thanks for the welcome I will most definitley stick around and keep everyone updated and will check out the reading material.
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    rockdocdoolittle
    I think he just choses to listen sometimes and other times just blows me off which I can understand as far as we are new to one another enviorments

    Yes, they do choose to ignore us at times.  Most training books will advise you to make yourself more attractive than any distraction.  That's not as easy as it sounds with some dogs. I think time and the formation of a bond will help tremendously. It's very helpful to figure out what your dog loves as far as rewards.

    I'm sorry if I sounded like I was scolding you.  I've made plenty of mistakes with dogs as has most everyone if they're honest.  Dogs are so adaptable they manage to get along with us despite our shortcomings in effective communication.

      One of my favorite dog experts, Dr. Sophia Yin, suggests feeding every single kibble of a dog's regular meal as rewards for behaviors we're reinforcing (sit, here, good business, etc).  The dog will learn to pay close attention to you but not in a clingy way.  He'll figure out that sitting gets a piece food, as does coming to you, etc. 

    The time spent on teaching the basics is crucial in my opinion.  Most people don't end up following through with basic obedience skills and they wonder why the dog only listens or follows commands when the dog feels like it.  You should teach the basic commands using the four d's.  Google the term 'four d's of dog training".  Distance, duration, distraction and delivery of reward. 

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    For potty training follow a puppy schedule, which means 20 to 30 mins after each meal, right after every play time or training time and every 2 hours in between.
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     In my house, when we have puppies, the person who gets spanked when the puppy messes is the human. I'm not saying you should do that of course. Remember though, he's like a toddler in terms of potty training. Had he been properly trained as a younger puppy, he would obviously have this by now, but he wasn't. If he messes in the house, it's  not his fault. He doesn't know yet how to tell you he has to go. He can learn though, and probably will. It's up to you to right now to figure out when he has to go and get him out then. Of course, you know now that it was wrong to punish him for what was really your mistake, so you won't do that anymore. Just clean it up, and do better next time. In addition to praising him for going outside, you really need to also give him treats. Give him 3 small treats (pea sized, or if you follow the tip to feed him his kibble piece by piece you can use that) every time he goes outside, in addition to praising him. You should get along much quicker with treats.

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    I also suggest you take a group class with him.  In a group class, you get to see others working with their dogs, so you can see things work, and mistakes made.  The others in class also comment on your work.  Your dog learns to bond with you, to take commands from you with other people and other dogs around-- that is, with distractions present.

     Your dog won't learn much in a one hour class.  YOU learn - how to communicate with YOUR dog, how to read YOUR dog's body language.  The homework and practice exercises are important to do, and they are things you will return to over and over for the life of the dog.

     I've had 7 rescue dogs in the past 5 years.  Some of them already knew their commands (sit, lie down, shake) but I still took them to the class.  It helps so much with the connection for a new dog!

    You may find some place for classes here:   http://www.apdt.com/petowners/ts/

     

     

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    He's still a puppy, yet has been around a long enough time without training. I think it might take him a bit longer than your young puppy because of lack of training...plus he'll make mistakes..
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    You've gotten excellent suggestions -- the one thing I'd add is -- literally make it **impossible** for him to screw up. You can't "assume" he knows he's **supposed to** go outside. He's LIVED out there -- now he's living IN-side. so where in that is he supposed to 'get' to potty outside? Leash him to you -- or let him drag a leash in the house so you can immediately corral him when you see him sniffing out a place to go where he shouldn't. In other words -- watch him ALL the time. A crate is a great tool -- particularly at night or when you can *not* be with him. I have even put a small bell on a dog's collar to make SURE I wake up at night when he's rattling around trying to figure out how to potty in such small quarters as a crate. Then *I* can get him out quickly enough so I *can* praise him for doing well. Catch him *before* he screws up "Uh uhhhh not here -- Let's go OUT!" and race out with him. then as soon as he does it *right* you can have a freaking PAR-TYYYYYY because he's so awesome. In other words -- a positive training method is more than just handing them treats. It's literally setting them up so they can't screw up easily. You watch them **all** the time so YOU see when the urge hits so you can get him out. Because neither is there anyting intuitive for him about knowing "Oh I only have to wait 20 more minutes before he lets me out!" Another thing I do (and I know this isn't common) -- I put them in their crate while I clean up a mess -- but I take those paper towels OUTSIDE. Put them where you want him TO go. Then go get him on lead and go straight there. It makes quite an impression on them "Hmmm -- he MOVED this - this is MINE!" Yeah I'm being anthropomorphic -- but it can sometimes get the idea across that hey -- I'm your leader and I want this stuff HERE ... not 'there'.