Could this be separation anxiety in rescued pup

    • Gold Top Dog

    Could this be separation anxiety in rescued pup

    Hello everyone! We adopted a 5 month old rescue pup 4 days ago. The foster said he was crate trained and would walk right into his crate for bed, sleep straight through the night for 8 hours, without any problems. He did not do nearly as well in the crate for us at night. The first 2 nights, he cried ALL night literally. The first night we had the crate at the bottom of the stairs. The 2nd night, we brought it to our upstairs hall. The 3rd night, he did better. He only carried on for 2 hours and awoke early. Last night, we brought it in our room, he carried on for 1/2 hour, but was up VERY early crying and barking. This, however, is the least of my concerns....I expect there to be an adjustment period. What is concerning me A LOT is that he seems to have separation issues, and I'm not sure if this, also, is just an adjustment issue, or if it's something I should really be worried about. Whenever we crate him and either go upstairs or leave the house, he goes balistic. He will bark, and screech non-stop for as long as you leave him, trying to bite, scratch, or bust his way out. He will not stop. The first time this happened, I thought he urinated in there, but it was a huge puddle of drool. We tried to put him in the kitchen, hoping it was just a crate issue. He did the same thing in there. When we went to get him out, his tooth was bleeding from trying to bite his way out. We have him in a training class, and the trainer said try not to leave him alone until he gets better, but she said this can possibly take weeks or months! I am in a position of where I don't know what to do with him when I leave. Not leaving him alone for weeks or months is just not possible. I work at home, but have responsibilities outside of the house that I can simply not take him to. My heart is breaking right now at the realization that if this is truly separation anxiety, we may not be able to keep him. I am hoping that this is just an adjustment period and once he realizes we will always come back, it will stop....however, that still does not solve the issue of where to keep him when I leave until it does. If I had no neighbors, I would put him in the crate with his stuffed kongs (which he will not eat when we're gone) and PRAY that he doesn't injure himself. However, I do have neighbors, and this can become an issue with them quickly. I have to go somewhere already this afternoon and don't know what to do! Please help!! Although he doesn't love his crate yet, I don't think this is simply a crate issue, because if we put him in when we're home and around him, he will carry on for a bit, but nothing like when we leave.
    • Gold Top Dog

     Thank you for adopting a rescue!

    Rescue dogs do present challenges.  This sounds like separation anxiety to me.  First, have you remained in contact with the foster parent?  Have you discussed this with her / him?

    You can take steps to desensitize the dog to this.  It will take time, but you can do this.  You work in small steps.  Give the pup something to chew in his crate - a frozen Kong works well.  Walk out of his sight, walk back in, praise, treat, reward.  Yes it is a slow process but from what I've heard from folks in obedience classes with me whose dog had these issues, they work through it in about 4 weeks.  You are lucky you work from home as you can work in this quite a bit.

    The next step is to walk out of the room.  Do that a few times, always returning to praise, treat, reward the pup.  Once he "gets" that, you move to another room.  And so on.  You will progress to walking out of the house and back in (so he hears the door close, and open).  And walk out of the house and around the house (leaving him for a time between the sound of the door closing and opening again).  Out of the house, start the car, turn it off and return.  Small steps, over and over.  Only move to the next step once he is comfortable with the prior step.

    I'd really be interested in what the foster parent says!

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    But what happens when I have to leave the house for an extended period during these 4 weeks? My dd has a dr's appt this week, and I am the bookkeeper at our church, so I have to go there as well. Plus my dd needs rides to and from her after school activiites. Some I can take him, some I cannot. I e-mailed the rescue, but haven't heard back yet. She may take the weekend off. If I don't hear back by later today, we're going to give her a call. I just can't believe he didn't show any signs of this before. That's why I was hoping it was just an adjustment issue.
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    I'd say it's highly likely that it's an adjustment issue but not one that will probably resolve well without taking some important steps. There's a booklet called "I'll Be Home Soon" and I can't recommend it strongly enough. It has step by step exercises to working on this issue..

    When we adopted Shane back in May, he showed some of the same signs as you're dealing with. The main thing I worked on was getting him used to me leaving for a few min's and then seeing me come back. I did that over and over again throughout the day. Not making a big deal out of leaving or returning is super important. Leaving through one door and returning through another is also important to keep them from obsessing over one place. It really is going to take time though and at 4 or 5 days out, he's still feeling very insecure, so try not to give up hope.

    By the way, Shane wouldn't touch his kong in his crate if we left. Someone told me not to worry about it but only to give him his kong while in the crate, so he'd learn that that yummy thing came with some time alone in the crate. If he ignored it for too long, I took it out and put it back in the freezer. It took a bit of time but he now runs to his crate when he sees the kong come out. I use a combo of his dry (moistened) and canned food and stuff the kongs with that. He gets breakfast and dinner that way, regardless of whether we are home or not. That way, he doesn't associate me giving him the kong with me leaving the house. I wish you all the best. I remember how worried I was about this but it's all fine now and hopefully will be soon for you too.

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    Some people have had good luck with Valerian root to help keep the dog calmer while you're gone.  You might also talk to your vet about using an anti anxiety drug when you have to leave as the counter conditioning can take a while for some dogs. It's possible that if you work on it multiple times a day in short sessions, you will see some improvement soon.

    I think working on obedience training around the house also helps a dog gain confidence. 

    Many dogs with SA become even more anxious when confined to a crate.  Patricia McConnell has a booklet called "I'll be home soon" that has step by step instructions to help your dog overcome her fear of being left alone.  You can also look at her website and blog for tips on dealing with SA while you wait for the booklet to arrive.

    Some dogs, who previously were fine when left alone, develop SA when they go to a new home.   Good luck and don't give up hope.

    ETA, Cathy and I were posting at the same time and recommending the same booklet. :) Get it ASAP as it is one of the easiest guides to follow and very effective.

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    But again, I have to leave him alone TODAY for about 60-90 min, again tomorrow twice for about the same time, Wed for about 3 hours, and Friday for about 3 hours. These are things I CANNOT avoid doing. He will not eat anything while in his crate, so even using a kong will not work. I am ready to cry here. If I knew this was an issue, I would not have been able to take him. I am willing to get the book and work on ANY other issue he may have, but I don't know how to do this one, since not not leaving him alone is not an option.
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    I just walked him and put him in his crate with a stuffed bone. He proceeded to bury the bone and lay down on top of it. My other dog went and stared at him and the bone through the crate and he started to growl and snarl at her. I stepped between them, made him stop, then got an expen to put between him and my other dog. He fell asleep on top of it. I'm now sure it is not a crate issue, because I am here, and he is not doing what he did before. I'm also guessing I will have to keep my other pup in her crate while we are gone, which I haven't done in a well over a year!
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    I'd take him in ASAP, today, to the vet for some meds.  This will buy you some time.  Most dogs in a state of severe anxiety won't eat anything, so no, the Kong won't help.  You might have to find a pet sitter if you can't get him into the vet this morning.  I know that's not always easy either on such short notice.  If you aren't able to do either I'd leave him in a bathroom with all items removed that he could destroy or damage. 

    As I said earlier, he may not have had any anxiety previously and this happened due to going to a new home. 

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    I don't even have a room where I can remove everythin. All of the cabinets and wood trim in my bathroom were just redone. My kitchen cabinets can easily be opened. I am going to call my vet, and hopefully pick up the meds today. However, I think that for my trip today, i am not going to have a choice but to leave him in his crate for 60-90 min. I know 2 "true" dog people that would possibly help out in a pinch, but one has a sick dog of her own that she's watching after, and the other is not around this week.
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    I'm really sorry you and your new dog are dealing with this and I hope things improve soon.  Sending you and your dog some "stay calm" vibes.  The more anxious you are about leaving the more he'll pick up on that so try to stay calm as possible.  I know that's a lot easier said than done.  I had a dog with mild SA and she destroyed a lot of stuff when I left her alone in her crate for the first time. She tore out of her crate. :(  It wasn't too hard to counter condition her and it helped that I could take her to work with me while I worked on the problem.  Good luck and please let us know how things go.

    You can pick up Valerian root at most pharmacies in the vitamin/supplement section.  It's worth a try if you can't get any meds today.

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    I bought Rescue Remedy for Shane and have used it a few times with success. I've also heard good things about Valerian Root. I also always leave a TV on when I leave. Before we set up the crate, we tried leaving Shane confined to our bedroom and came home to find the door jam chewed up, so I think you're wise to use the crate. I honestly felt as worried as you are, so I hope it gives you some hope that this might be something that can be worked out. It does take time and it sounds like you're able to be home a lot more than most people, so that will help. As Jackie said, they really do pick up on our stress, so try not to worry. (((Hugs)))
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    I'm also going to second **everything** both Cathy and Jackie have said.

    1.  Valerian -- get the **tincture** (and get it in glycerite, rather than the alcohol formula) - use a full dropper and stir it into just a little bit of peanut butter and put it in his mouth.  (dunno why but that combo is a winner wtih most dogs *smile*).  The tincture works FASTER -- like within 5 minutes.  The ground herb will take an hour to kick in.  You can use rescue remedy ALSO (just use it a few minutes after the valerian).

    2.  Take some yourself -- Yeah, I'm partly kidding but honestly, partly not.  What Jackie said about **your** state of mind is huge.  You're near tears, you feel overwelmed and pressured, and honestly this is somethig the dog picks up on.  (it's more than just your voice -- but worry literally has a 'scent'  so keeping yourself level is no small task).  Valerian to us  STINKS.  It's aa strong-smelling herb, but to be honest -- I've done the peanut butter thing with myself too.  but you'll see it does work pretty fast.

    Like the ladies said above -- gosh I am so sorry you are having to go thru this.  But let me speak dog to you for just a minute?

    he's been tossed from pillar to post.  At "the other place" there were other dogs that he kinda knew and they were probably all barking (which got attention).  In this NEW place he's not sure the other dog likes him and everbuddy is upset with him and it's all just SO NEW and SO SCAREY. 

    And right now?  He's pretty sure he's feeling "maybe we can't keep" him vibes (and maybe he's even heard those words).  He's scared and his first reaction is to make sure someone knows. 

    Especially at night -- it's a scaredy thing, and being ALONE is not a dog thing he does well (most don't).  Please try to keep him IN a room **with** someone else.  There's this amazing thing -- "sleep smell" .  (partly it is that thing you rush to the bathroom to brush your teach and wash OFF of yourself because we all know we need it in the morning -- but an animal is greatly comforted by that scent of all the packmates being intermingled.

    He's just scared -- and very very unsure.  And right now all he knows is that at least when he pitches a fit in the crate that he gets SOME sort of attention.  And for him, right her right now "negative attention" it at least SOME attention.

    Take a deep breath -- honestly today isn't going to make or break.  You've gotta get thru it.  but don't tell him you're "sorry" you have to go.  Just say "I*'ll be back before supper!! See ya!!" and CHEERFULLY leave. 

    There is good support here -- more than you know.  I remember WELL the hard time Cathy had leaving Shane -- and what's more, Shane has a pretty serious heart problem (which they knew) but she had to additionally worry about his heart if he got too upset.  So she really DOES understand your angst about leaving him.

    And "in" a crate isn't bad -- right now he's fearful because he doesn't know what to expect, and even if he hates the crate -- as long as it's a good sturdy one that he can't bend to wreck it to get out of it then a crate actually becomes protection from everything else he doesn't know.  Today -- you'll get thru it.

    You aren't crazy, you aren't mean, you aren't being weird -- you've got a new little life you're responsible for and you're concerned.  That is a GOOD THING!!   Most all of us on here have been thru this with at least one newbie.  Not only do you get good advice here - you get caring thoughts and prayers (yeah, we actually worry about each other in the interim and want to know how you made out).

     Good luck -- with prayers & good thots for you -- Callie

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    I've talked to our vet, and they said he's too young for meds. I may try to find this valerian, but that would mean leaving him even longer! The vet's office said to leave him in short bursts. Leave for 15-30 min, come back, reward him when he's calm. Then go for an hour, etc.... Looks like instead of working today, I'm going to be taking a billion short trips. The vet also said no kong or bones in the crate since he is resource guarding them. I'l toss a chewy and t-shirt of mine in and hope for the best. Thanks, guys...I truly appreciate the support.
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    I gave my "I'll Be Home Soon" pamphlet to another woman who was having some concerns or I'd be happy to mail it to you. There a few things that popped into my mind though and one was yes, leave for brief periods, even just to out front and when you come back don't say a thing, don't look at him and don't let him out for a bit. You're trying to dispel his thoughts that when you're home, he's out with you and when he's in the crate, you've left him for possibly long periods of time. You might also try covering his crate with a sheet. Some folks say that it gives them more of a safe, den feeling. My husband tends to leave his dirty t-shirt on top of the crate a lot and Shane will always pull it inside. He doesn't chew it up or anything but he definitely loves having something with his scent on it nearby. As for the resource guarding issue, is it possible to keep the dogs separated (visually) when you're gone and that way you could give him a kong or bone? I always remove the kong as soon as I let Shane out anyway and you could do the same with whatever you had in there.
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    I would not leave him for ten or fifteen minutes, as part of the counter conditioning.  I know you have to leave him today but for the counter conditioning exercises, it's too long a time span to do anything toward helping him learn not to be anxious when you leave.

    http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00314.htm

    Here's another one

    http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/15_9/features/Desensitizing-Protocol-and-Separation-Anxiety_20604-1.html