Praised, Crated, and still has accidents! LONG, sorry

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    Praised, Crated, and still has accidents! LONG, sorry

     So not only have I searched all over this site and more for maybe some small bit of advice that will shed some light on potty training. I have trained my share of large breed dogs to potty outside but I have my first small breed puppy and he is proving to be a tough cookie when it comes to potty training!

    I've gone by the book! he only poops outside successfully and only pee's successfully in the middle of the night when I wake him to pee.

    The daytime is a whole different matter. We go outside every 3-45 minutes. As I pick him up and head to the door i use a monotone voice "going potty". Outside I let him play but limit my interaction with him but repeat again in a monotone voice "go potty". When he goes I wait until he is fully finished and swoop him up while praising like crazy.He knows he has done well and snuggles in my hair , we go right back inside so he knos job well done and he is rewarded with returning back to the house and praise.

    But within 15 minutes of going outside he pee's again in the house! He dosn't hide it and slinks to his bed like he knows he has done wrong.

    Last night right after we went out to potty he pee'd on my bed! To me that is CRAZY! I have known of older dogs doing it as a weird possession thing or whatnot but a puppy who has just relieved himself? Took him to the vet yesterday and no UTI?

     

    He is a 9 week old Boston Terrier. I have had him for a week.

    I am at a loss. Any clues?

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    CalMama
    Outside I let him play

     

    When going outside to potty, I wouldn't let him play. He needs to know its potty time.

    CalMama
    As I pick him up

     

     Maybe you should take him out on leash.

    CalMama
    like he knows he has done wrong.

     

     He doesn't know hes done something wrong, hes reacting to your reaction/  body language. Also, at 9 weeks hes still a baby and it will take time. Good luck with potty training and remember this too shall pass. Smile

    • Gold Top Dog

    Ditto what Tiffy said and I would add that I'd have him on a schedule for eating, etc.  I too think he might not be associating going outside with doing his business.  You could try crating him for a few minutes before you take him outside and then put a leash on him and take him to a spot where he has gone previously and tell him to do his business in whatever words you choose. If he goes, praise and treat and go back inside. Then you could play a few minutes and then crate unless you're going to be watching him.  I take up water at night after 8 pm with some puppies.  Many puppies overdrink but I don't restrict water unless it seems excessive.  He's very young and he'll get it. I recently met a very young Boston puppy and was charmed completely.  :)

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    CalMama

    He is a 9 week old Boston Terrier. I have had him for a week.

    I am at a loss. Any clues?

     

     

    Give it time.  I am super diligent with potty training (taking new puppies out every 10-15 minutes while awake) and still my two boys took a month or so before they were reliable.  It was sort of a lightbulb thing, like suddenly one day the accidents just stopped around 3-4 months of age and that was that.  Just keep taking him out regularly, ignoring him until he goes, then praising and playing or letting him have a few minutes to explore outside as a reward if he wants.  He will get it eventually.

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    He's just a wee pup!  Only an infant.  Way too young to be worrying about something being wrong.  Patience and consistency.  The one thing that stood out for me is that you said you "swoop him up."  I would consider that may be scary for a 9 week old pup. 

    Take him out frequently and on schedule.  Let him do his thing....then as he is doing his business...say the words you want associated.  I think you said "go potty."  Praise and have a little tiny mini party right after.  But, let him walk back in on his own accord.  Keep him on a long leash so you are in control.

    Good luck!  When do we get to see this baby?  Hmmmm?  Pictures please.  Big Smile

    • Gold Top Dog

    There are many different "styles" of house-training.  I would simply let him drag a leash 24/7 until you have him trained.  Why?  Immediate control!

    I would slip that leash over your belt.  I never "schedule" altho many dog.  I don't think they go by a clock -- they go by how long stuff has been in their bodies - they go after a meal, after sleeping, after playing ... but not really a "clock". 

    But the first thing I want to say is how did the vet determine there was no UTI?  A strip?  not reliable.  Particularly if the dog is drinking a lot.  Have you noticed at all him coming right in from outside and going to drink?  We all notice if the urine is dark and stinky but if they are drinking a ton then we see wet spots but we're not as prone to think UTI.  A strip only picks up infection if it is a certain strength - it's fallible. 

    If he's drinking a lot simply ask the vet to *try* an antibiotic and see if it helps OR do a culture to be sent away.  Literally a urinalysis.  It's not dumb -- it will tell you if he's concentrating his urine, etc. and it's a baseline for next time.

    As far as training goes -- 'Scheduling' IS easier.  But my way is to simply leash them to me and *watch* them like a hawk.  You watch for them to stop, look or sniff around for a place to go.  Then, you say "gotta potty?" and ZOOM him out the door.  He's on leash -- you *can*. 

    Then - don't let him play .... ohhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.  He's there to potty.  That is **all**.  You stand in that spot where you want him to go and wait.  No playing.  No butterflies.  No fun.  You just wait for him.  Then .. if no production in a few minutes (this is NOT an hour-long drama here) you go back in and resume. 

    over ... and over .... and over.   Eventually he will 'go' while he's out there and then you can have a party.  You can then allow him TO play outside as a reward!  All the while convincing him he's the best danged boston ever!

    IF he has an accident in the house.  Go put him in his crate (not punishment -- just a holding place for him while you clean up.).  I don't really know why, but I've always found it somehow rewarding for a dog to see you handle their waste.

    But go sop it up with paper towel, and take that towel outside and lay it where you've been wanting him to go.

    Then go get him -- zoom by the "scene of the crime" and just say matter-of-factly "Not there!  Not IN the house!" and proceed directly outside saying "OUt" as you go out and to **the paper**.  The dog sniffs it and you say "Yep! It goes OUT here!"

    He'll get it -- the fact that you will **move** his waste tends to help that lightbulb moment. 

    Now remember you have to clean that spot SO well -- they can sniff their own scent so easily. 

    See I want to know when they have to go out.  I don't want them to just "happen" to go while we are outside.  I want them to understand that walks and playing are one thing.  But potty is a whole different ballgame.  And when you do it right great things happen.

    Once he *begins* to get it you can drop the leash and let him drag it.  But honestly -- it is SO handy and so much easier to re-direct them and keep them from screwing up when leashed it really really helps.

    My whole theory of dog training (and this extends to many many things) is to simply make it nigh onto impossible for them to screw up.  With the leash I can ensure they do **everything** right.  And they get used TO doing it right and hearing praise for that.  It is so much easier to stay positive when you can use a leash and literally **avoid** a lot of mistakes.

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    At 9 weeks, he is still very young and will pee frequently. I would not give him full access to the house yet until fully trained. Use a puppy room with a crate and a paper and/or litter box. That's what I did with my Lhasa Apsos. I would also crate train him too with a schedule.
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    clintcora
    I would not give him full access to the house yet until fully trained.

     

    Agree wholeheartedly! Some dogs cannot handle the whole house. Especially for a baby. He should only have limited access to a few areas. Also, Callies 24/7 leash deal is excellent. Set this pup up for success at all times. Good luck and how about some pics? Big Smile

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    clintcora
    I would not give him full access to the house yet until fully trained.

     

    My basset hound is 6.5 months old and still only can be in whatever room we are in, as long as we do that he has no accidents.

    • Gold Top Dog

    First, congratulations on your new puppy!  The object in house training is to prevent all accidents so that the dog learns that the potty area is outdoors.  That requires that you take him out frequently, contain him when you can't watch him, watch him any time he's out of the crate or pen (tethered to you by a leash if necessary), reward him for correct behavior (swooping him up and making a big deal might actually feel like punishment to him, even though that wasn't your intention - try just handing him a tidbit every now and then for a good potty, and stay outside to play for a few minutes after).  Once you are back inside, if he does have an accident, consider it your fault for not watching him closely enough and vow to do better next time - do NOT startle or correct him because if you do he may learn that going potty in front of you is dangerous, and that isn't helpful, as they just learn to hide what they do then.  A nine week old has a tiny bladder, and is at a fear imprint stage, so needs frequent potty trips and no scary things.  I would advise you also to get him in to puppy class right now at a facility that has experience with small breed dogs.  They need to play with other puppies before age 16 weeks, by 12 weeks if you can get him there.  www.trulydogfriendly.com

    http://www.avsabonline.org/avsabonline/images/stories/Position_Statements/puppy%20socialization.pdf

    http://www.clickerlessons.com/housetraining.htm