Excessive panting

    • Puppy

    Excessive panting

    Hi, I'm new here.  Here's a quick history:  I have a female German Shepherd, about 2 yrs old.  I got Stormy a little over a year ago (a couple months shy of 1 yr old) from her breeder.  Stormy's breeder had been unable to place her as a puppy, and then I believe she went through some tough times, and the pup ended up in a kennel without a lot of socialization during her formative months.  When I went to meet her, she hid under the table.  I could tell she had a sweet nature, but she was completely anxious.  I knew that if I didn't take her, she'd go back to the kennel, and maybe never be in a family.  So, I got her.  At home, she wouldn't make eye contact, especially with men.  I started giving her a treat every time she looked in my general direction, and then if she'd glance at my face, and then for the first moment of eye contact, and then if she'd hold the eye contact for 1 second, 2 seconds, etc.  She was afraid of every new sight and sound.  We've spent months desensitizing her to everything from rustling paper to the vacuum cleaner to rolling the trash can up to the road.  She is MUCH better.  She now makes eye contact readily, is no longer afraid of my husband and teenage son, does not run away from the vacuum cleaner, and is learning basic obedience.  She is even making progress being friendlier toward new people. But....

    One of Stormy's manifestations of stress/anxiety is that she pants excessively. She'll pace the house panting. She pants heavily waiting for me to let her out of her crate, or to open the door to take her outside, and while on the leash.  Or in the car...and there she also drools non-stop.  She is making slight progress in the crate as I've gotten consistent about not opening it until she collects herself.  But the moment she's out, the panting starts.  If I put the leash on her and just wait till she stops panting to begin to take her outside, she will gain enough control to take a single step.  Then she begins panting again, and we start the whole process all over again, with every step.  I can't keep her attention so she goes into her stress mode.  Sometimes I can distract her with food for a moment, but we always end up right back to the panting.  Almost all the info out there deals with separation anxiety, which interestingly, she does not have.  At all.  She's perfectly content to stay in her crate while I'm gone.  No whining, no barking, no destructive behavior.  I'm home most of the time, and she usually follows me from room to room, and for large portions of the day she will be fine.  Settled.  But moving from one environment to another, even if it's leaving the crate, creates an enormous amount of anxiety. When I do take her places, she stays in a glassy-eyed state of avoidance the whole time.  Right after I got her, I took her as many places as I could and introduced her to as many people as possible.  It helped a little, initially.  But I'm no longer sure it's helping her. 

     It's not that big a deal, except that I know she is overcome with stress, and I don't know how to make it better for her.  I really want to help her be a happy, well-adjusted dog.

    Any helpful advice and suggestions would be most welcome.

    Robin

    • Gold Top Dog

    There comes a point where they learn to live in that high-stress state and it becomes almost "Normal" to them. 

    My first question is this -- when she's at rest (i.e., asleep) does she breathe hard?  It sounds to me like you've observed her carefully -- we just want to rule out heart problems.

    This isn't something I often suggest, but given that she's increasing in anxiety and it's becoming more 'normal' for her to be anxious, you may need to medicate her *with* the training you do. 

    Rather than recommending a hard-core sertonin drug like Chlomicalm (which is not a bad thing -- i just tend to use natural,alternative methods preferably) -- which you'd need to talk to your vet about -- you might want to try either herbals or homeopathy to reduce her stress/anxiety.  They can work faster, which might help.

    Herbals?  Try a tincture (rather than capsules - those have to digest in the stomach before they work -- tinctures work much faster -- 5-10 minutes).  Preferably something like valerian root (non-alcohol is generally more palatable).  Probably two droppers full mixed in a minimal amount of tahini or peanut butter -give it to her about 5 minutes before you want to transition her. 

    As much as possible, it would be my bet that ignoring her would be better.  Sort of like the reverse process of coming home to a dog who gets over anxious at your return - ignore her when she first gets out of the crate. 

    valerian, passion-flower, St. John's Wort -- all 3 are nervine herbs.  i.e., "relaxants". 

    St. John's Wort, however actually has some sertonin properties and it might be a darned good one to start with.  It's not habit-forming (none of those are).

    On the other hand -- homeopathics can really work very well.  Probably the best known is Hylands "Calms Forte" -- but it is the only homeopathic I know of that *has* to work in the stomach, so it takes about 45 minutes to work.

    **However** there are others.  -Heel/BHI has a formula called "Calming" that works pretty darned fast.  2-3 minutes. 

    You need to crush the tablet (fold a piece of paper and use a small hammer or something hard to crush ANY homeopathic that way) and then pour it into her mouth or get her to lick it up.  They're sweet -- mine think they are a treat.  don't mix with food at all -- you don't even want her to drink water with it -- it needs to absorb into the mucus membranes of the mouth.

    YOu can follow it with another in 3-5 minutes if you need to. 

    Boiron singles (another health store item -- but the Boiron display is a bunch of tiny blue tubes) -- chamomillia (it's a homeopathic made from chamomile tea) is another really good calmative.

    The advantage of the homeopathics over anything else is they are gentle but extremely effective.  But they don't last a long time -- you may have to give again in 3-4 hours but it's ok, you won't over-dose.

    If you want to email me if you are interested -- that's fine.  I can 'teach' you a bit about homeopathics.  It would be a good thing if we chatted about her -- if her heart rate actually skyrockets -- particularly if you think this stress covers *fear* then there'd be another one I'd suggest you couple with the chamomilia.  In fact there are several you could try.

    Or -- if you are really uncomfortable with anything alternaitve you could talk to the vet about Chlomicalm or prozac.  When you get a dog that is this deeply traumatized and who spends this much time in such a hiighly anxious state, then sometimes the stronger pharmaceuticals are needed just to bring her down out of that highly anxious state so you *can* desensitize her further.  It may not need to be a long term thing -- but convincing her brain that something other than high anxiety is 'normal' can be tough.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Welcome to the forum Robin.  I highly recommend the herbs that Callie is recommending.  We got Hot Shot when he was 3 and it took a little over a year to get him to look us in the eye, not run at the sound of any noise, not be scared of humans, ride in the car.  He is still afraid of gun shots and thunderstorms but we use Valerian root capsules to help with that.  Now he is much a part of the family, loves the car, loves to look you in the eye and talk to you :)  The best thing we have found is consistancy, routine, love and patience have finally change a very nervous 125 lb Bernese Mtn dog into a big loving ball of fur.

    • Gold Top Dog

     Way OT, but Gin I love Hot! Sorry.

    • Puppy

    Calliecritturs,

     Thank you for your input.  I've been ignoring her as she comes out of the crate, and the panting has improved dramatically.  I was inadvertently adding to the anxiety by making it an issue.  She is lying contentedly at my feet, having had hardly any excessive panting all day.

     I'm glad to know there are herbs for dogs under stress.  I would rather go that route than give her meds.  But if we can continue to make progress with behavior modification (in this case, MY behavior!!) then that's even better yet.

    She is more anxious than I'd like, but she is also improving.  She got a late start so she's still learning to not react to every little thing.

    Thanks again!

    Robin

    • Puppy
    What did you do to make car rides acceptable?  Stormy turns tail and runs when the back of the van opens.
    • Gold Top Dog

    RCinGA
    What did you do to make car rides acceptable?  Stormy turns tail and runs when the back of the van opens.

     

    I'm sure Callie will have lots of info on the carsickness remedies, herbals or homeopathics that can help, but behaviorally speaking, your dog may simply have begun to associate car rides with arriving at places that scare her.  So, going on that assumption, you could start again from scratch and for a time, only go to places where she is completely confident, even if you take her for rides around the block back to her own back yard!  Also, walking a fearful dog through a stimulating environment to get them used to it is less helpful than people think.  When this dog goes to a new place, perhaps the best thing you can do is place her in an area where her back is to the wall and she can sit and scan what's going on for 10-15 minutes.   If she can take food after that, all the better, but if she can't, you may want to introduce her to the environment from a greater distance away.