Help me help Chief (Georgie)

    • Gold Top Dog

    Help me help Chief (Georgie)

    Chief is my foster, for those who don't know.  He is just over two years old.  He was surrendered to the shelter on Sept. 28 because his family of two years was moving.  When he was temperament tested, he showed a bit of food aggression, which was worked with and I have seen no indication of at all.  He is able to have treats near my other dogs, eat near them, and he takes treats very gently from me.  On Oct. 30 he was adopted.  On November 2 he was returned because "he was being very dominant with his other dog, a pit bull".  On November 9 he was adopted again.  He was again returned three days later because "he is not potty trained and he was snapping for treats".  I saw him come back for the second time, since I now work at the shelter and I knew what would happen to him.  He was becoming less and less adoptable with every return.  The second guy said he would reclaim him if he was potty trained....idiot.

    Anyway he is getting along great with my dogs.  I am seeing no dominance, but A LOT of submissiveness.  He is always licking Max and Finn's faces and ears and mouths.  If one of the other dogs tells him off he backs off immediately.  He and Finn have very similar play styles so they are great together, now that Finn has accepted him.  So, basically I am not seeing problems from most of the reasons he was returned for, but I am seeing some other issues.

    I'll start with the crate.  He HATES it.  I have tried clicker training it with some crate games, but he doesn't seem to "get it".  I have also tried giving him yummy things in the crate, but he WILL NOT eat anything in the crate.  He will, however, take things from the crate other places in the room to eat them.  I tried leaving him out of the crate, but then he gets into trouble chewing things or scratching the door to get out.  I was thinking it could be separation anxiety, but he does settle in the crate after about five mins.  WHen I do put him in and leave him, he will cry and carry on and bang around in the crate and then settle and sleep.  He has also been bending the bars around the door with his mouth.

    Another issue is his potty training.  He was having absolutely zero accidents in the house except in his crate every single morning.  I don't know how to fix this.  I get him out as soon as I hear him, but he has usually already peed.  I just don't know how to fix it because DH is getting him out around 1 am and then I get up at 7am to get him out again.  If he can't hold it for six hours, could there be a medical problem or could it just be a shelter dog thing and he just needs some time?  DH isn't working now, but will be next week, so Chief hasn't really spent an entire day alone.  We were out one day for about six hours and came back to pee in the crate, but that was the day after I brought him home.  Luckily it is only pee and very easy to clean up, but I don't want him just laying in his pee.

    And, finally, he will often mouth us.  He will sometimes grab onto a piece of clothing or your arm (or sometimes your crotch area, in DH's case ) and it hurts.  I will say OW!  and he will usually release, but if it is clothing or the leash, it is often harder to stop it.

    Thanks for any advice!  I want his next adoption to be his final adoption, so I need to get him some manners!!

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     Rueben would pee in his crate if he had to go. And he's never in there more than an hour or two at a time during the day since Im always here. He just couldnt get it in his head to let me know he had to go. He would only do it though when he'd over do it on the water. So on the days he drinks a bunch of water at one time I would put him in his crate and then every 30 minutes say "gotta potty?" and take him out. The other day he was in his crate and actually whined! I took him out and he peed for 5 minutes. I think we're finally getting somewhere.

    And as other are probably gonna tell you treat Chief like his a brand new puppy you brought home. What you would do with a puppy do with him.

    Good luck. Chief be good so you can get a home to call your own!

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    Thats exactly what I've been doing.  Every hour we go outside.  Almost every time he pees (although sometimes he will go a few hours without doing anything).  It's only overnight where we are having the problem.  DH had them out at 2am this morning.  I got up at 6:30am and he had already peed in his crate!  I don't get it.  He can't last 4 hours???  Again, this is only happening IN the crate, but it's really annoying.

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     I had to cut off Rueben's water at a certain time for about 2 months to get him to stop peeing in the crate. I'd cut it off around 6 and the last time I'd take the dogs out was around 11-12 depends on if anything was on TV. I get up at 6 to get Samantha ready for school and they would go out then.

    Now I quit giving water at 8 bedtime still the same time. He's been good so far. If I've know he's had a lot of water before bedtime I will set the alarm for a couple hours and take him out. It seems to be working. He did let me know once he had to go out so I was very happy. I just hope he will keep letting me know! 

    I know alot of people dont like to take water away from dogs but except for Cheyanne and Lillie I have always limited water after a certain time with all my dogs. If they do act like their thirsty(Anubis will lick the tub faucet!) I will give a little water because I would hate to be thirsty you know!

    How old is Chief? Rueben is 8 months old and we've been doing this since he was 10 weeks when I got him. At his breeders they had a doggie door so they could potty when they wanted. He would only pee in his crate also and occasionally on Anubis's bed.

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    I may have to do that.  That seems like the only way to really teach him.  He is about 2 years old, so he isn't a pup and should be able to hold it. It can't be fun to sleep in your own pee. Ick!

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    georgie4682

    It can't be fun to sleep in your own pee. Ick!

     

    Tell me about it! Rueben would be soaking wet where he would just lay in his pee. I could see it happening if he was from a dirty situation and was forced to sit in his pee and he got used to it but that's not the case here! Dogs!! Lol.

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     If he's not having accidents in the house, but only in the crate, could it be a stress issue?  Could you try confining him to a bathroom or other very small area instead?

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    I'm thinking it is stress.  The problem with confining him is he still seems to become stressed and then either scratches the door or finds something to destroy in the room.  DH told me he actually had three accidents in the house today.  I think he just doesn't get him out often enough.