Aggressively Peanut

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    Aggressively Peanut

    Hello

    I have posted photos of our three female mix breeds (click ‘Burl’ and then ‘Photos’).  All came from CAAWS, our Baton Rouge no-kill shelter.

    We have been having occasional aggression flare-up clashes started by Peanut (a beagle/german shepherd? mix) since two years back when she was three.  These facts are eerily similar to some warning signs noted in the 'Bella attacks Amber' thread.

    With no consistent place or trigger event (except always indoors), Peanut will go out of control on Sissy (older calmer sister who is shivering scared after attack – no blood, yet) and Red (tougher near same age sister who once had a bloodied gash in the front leg, and once a bruised leg causing a limp for a day or so).  

    The first fight we recall was a bit over 2 years ago when Peanut came home from the vet and Sissy got between her and the open door.  Then, in the small RV where clearly Peanut told Sissy she demanded more exclusive territory by Martha on the bed – there were two or three of these.  

    We moved into a new house, and Happy (only male) died in early 2008.  There were not too many flare-ups until this January, Martha tried to break it up in the kitchen over a food dropping, and got a deep cut on the hand requiring a few stitches. And since then, there have been 3 flare-ups.  Usually these occur with only Martha there (I am in house), but this morning, it was with only me.

    One or two flare-ups were foreshadowed with Peanut jealously paying attention to one or the other sisters getting petted.  This morning, she came to say its breakfast time and I frustrated her by motioning to come closer to be petted at the same time Sissy came in the room and Peanut redirected her mixed emotion with a lunging attack leaving Sissy lying shivering under Peanuts domineering stare.

    Peanut is insecure and like the ‘baby’ in many ways.  When younger, she was the buffoon who instigated play with the others – she is much more somber now, but still she follows the lead of the other two - maybe somewhat resentfully. Maybe she is kind of passive-aggressive now.

    They mostly enjoy the full run of the house and yard. They all walk very well together twice a day, BUT, Peanut’s hackles go up and she gets pretty snarky with most any other dog that comes up to her when on the leash, even ones she will play with off-leash.

    I hope this detailed account gives some sort of a picture of what’s up.

    Can anyone offer some ideas?    

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    First, I noticed you are constantly applying human emotions to the dogs (jealousy, frustration, domineering, insecurity, resentful, etc).  I would not look at it that way.

    Second, I guess in general with incidents like these, I would start with more management.  The offending dog needs to be restricted from the dogs she is going after and the resources she's trying to guard.  She should not be allowed to bully other dogs such that they "shivering scared".  Don't try to rationalize why it happens or project emotions onto the dog's behavior (goes with the above).  Examine what happens when and brainstorm how you can STOP it from being allowed.  For example, if Peanut goes after other dogs while Martha is around, then confine Peanut to a crate, behind a gate, or in another room while Martha is interacting with the other dogs. If Peanut cannot be nice and under control during a certain activity, then she looses the privilege of that activity until you've done the necessary behavior modification.

    Third, I would start a strict "NILIF" program (Google that, plenty of good info already out there). 

    Others will likely suggest a full vet workup to rule out any medical causes like pain or thyroid issues.

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      I suggest you consult a qualified, experienced behaviorist for an in home visit.   

    Burl
    With no consistent place or trigger event

     

    There is a consistent trigger and that appears to be resource guarding something of value.  This could become much more serious and I wouldn't rely on internet advice alone for help.  

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    Thanks, these are very useful points..I like the NILIF tip. Also the resource guarding observation seems right. Also, we have a person we can call in, but first we want to try a few basic things. We have not been careful with how we do treats, and we have not been very authoritative in having Peanut follow our commands (we have few rules or commands, but she has always been stubborn about following them). For instance, yesterday morning just before she lunged at Sissy, she was being stubborn and not wanting to put her front paws on my lap and let me pet her, and my second request must have frustrated her wish for me to get up to get their breakfast.

    She did just get a vet checkup, and her beagle ear flappers do cause her to be prone to lots of ear infections requiring ear drops. She is getting over a mild infection now.

    99.99% of the time, we are a happy laid-back pack of 5. I was wondering if the infrequency of her outbursts is such that it would be considered not that uncommon or intolerable? Of course, we want it stopped.

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    Burl

     

    99.99% of the time, we are a happy laid-back pack of 5. I was wondering if the infrequency of her outbursts is such that it would be considered not that uncommon or intolerable?

     

    Maybe, but what if it only continues to escalate?  Then you'd look back and wonder why you didn't nip it in the bud when it was still possible to intervene.

    I have a pack of large dogs - a female German shepherd, a large male mix, and a male German shepherd (intact) and sometimes have a puppy (intact) and have no such squabbles.  Every dog started out being confined and following a pretty strict, predictable routine and slowly earned their freedoms and privileges and variations to the routine.  Any sort of resource guarding behavior would result in an instant revoking of privilege (for example, if a dog growled or snarked at another dog on the bed, that dog is immediately removed and no longer allowed on the bed).  To be honest I've never had to revoke privileges, but I certainly would if there were any incidents like you describe.  Again I would not worry about why you think the dog is doing it ("my second request must have frustrated her wish for me to get up to get their breakfast";) and just don't let it happen again.

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    What do you all think of Dr. Coren's 'Work For a Living' idea here http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/201007/obtaining-status-rather-enforcing-dominance-over-dogs-positive-program?

    It seems the same as NILIF. As for Peanut, about the only 'trick' she has is to sit for food - but I wonder if she thinks she (not me) is producing food when she sits!

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    Just added a 6th photo that has Peanut at 6 months...maybe we had a notion of what she was to become!
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    Burl
    What do you all think of Dr. Coren's 'Work For a Living' idea

     

    It's the same principal as NILIF.  The key is consistency, IMO.  As Dr. Coren mentions, all members of the family should be on the same page.

     I'm glad dogs don't worry about theories and semantics, the way humans do.  They do what works to get them what they want/need.  It's a ridiculously easy principle.  Being the so called smarter species, we tend to make things more complicated than necessary sometimes. 

    Burl
    As for Peanut, about the only 'trick' she has is to sit for food - but I wonder if she thinks she (not me) is producing food when she sits!

     

    I doubt it. Big Smile   But if you see her looking around for food when she randomly sits, you could be on to something. lol

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    I was looking in the behavioral problems subforum here http://forum.dog.com/forums/t/107164.aspx where spiritdogs said "A scuffle is a scuffle and is easily broken up with noise. When you have to physically break up two dogs (which is how most redirected bites happen), and one goes running back for the other as if to kill, that is not ok in a pet home IMO. You should not live in fear, and neither should T-Bone. "

    What is the best way to split up the scuffle (what type of noise)? If splitting them causes the blood, is it better to let them finish themselves?

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    Burl
    I was looking in the behavioral problems subforum here http://forum.dog.com/forums/t/107164.aspx where spiritdogs said "A scuffle is a scuffle and is easily broken up with noise. When you have to physically break up two dogs (which is how most redirected bites happen), and one goes running back for the other as if to kill, that is not ok in a pet home IMO. You should not live in fear, and neither should T-Bone. "

     

    What is the best way to split up the scuffle (what type of noise)? If splitting them causes the blood, is it better to let them finish themselves?

     

    I don't think this is something you should try to manage without help.  Take Jackie's original suggestion and find a qualified behaviorist to help.  Sometimes, the dog you think is the aggressor isn't, and sometimes you miss signals that are important not to miss.  NILIF is training, this requires behavior modification or management.  Not that training is bad - the more control you have over your dogs, the better (notice I did not say anything about dominance).  Dogs that have an occasional scuffle with no blood is normal behavior.  Dogs that continually repeat this behavior, to the point of bullying other dogs, or that do injure one another or injure humans are not OK and need help from someone who knows what they are doing.  Animal Behavior Society or IAABC have listings of behavior professionals.

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    We are doing NILIF things, esp. sit for food bowls, sit/down for treats at more structured times, sit for leash for walk. Getting Peanut to come when called (I was shocked at how poorly she was doing this). Keeping them out of kitchen during cooking, etc. Thanks for the advice...will keep you updated.