Why Dogs Pull on the Leash

    • Gold Top Dog

    Why Dogs Pull on the Leash

    Two of the most popular explanations for why dogs pull are, 1) the dog thinks he’s the pack leader, and 2) the behavior is being reinforced.

    However, I don’t think dogs pull on the leash as much as they’re pulled on by things in the environment that stimulate and attract their instincts.
    In fact, I think it’s helpful to look at canine behavior through the lens of basic Freudian psychology, which is to say through the idea that we (humans) unconsciously form attachments to things in our environment and project our emotional energy onto them as objects of attraction. Once we see that we’re not much different from dogs in this one respect (particularly if we go back to earlier stages of our development, back when we were young "pups";), it’s not too much of a stretch to see that dogs, on a certain fundamental level, do the same thing. They project their pre-sexual, sexual energy onto things in the environment. And that’s why they pull on the leash.
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     I don't think dogs care about being the pack leader either.  They are interested in procuring resources, which, loosely translated, means things that they want.  If they want to smell a scent and they get to do it by pulling the human over in that direction, they've been reinforced, and are likely to repeat that behavior when they want to smell something interesting.  I think the way they form attachments to things in the environment is that they experience good results.  If a puppy investigates a plant, for example, and gets pricked by a thorn, he's just been "punished" and so therefore not reinforced, so might be less likely to approach similar looking (or smelling) plants in the future.  I tend to doubt the pre-sexual theory, though. Freud was the king of anecdote and speculation compared to today's knowledge base - he thought that schizophrenia was due to some narcissistic disorder, and we now know that it is an organic brain dysfunction, evidence of which we can see on brain scans.

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     Dogs pull because they can. If no one is correcting the pulling, its self-rewarding.

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    Um, in my experience, a dog pulls on the least because he hasn't been trained not too. A little training, and some decent exercise and you'll have a nice-loose-leash-walking-dog.

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    I usually explain it by saying dogs pull on the leash because we've trained them to learn that's how to get where they want to go.

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     Freud really was the king of speculation, and while he might have had some lovely insights, he had some pretty kooky ideas as well.

    I'm leaning towards Panksepp's approach these days. I like his SEEK mode as an explanation for why dogs pull on leash. They have a very strong information seeking drive and pulling on the leash gets them more information. They get into the habit of pulling because in the past it has got them to where they wanted to go in their inherently rewarding search for information. It has to be rewarding because it's adaptive to gain information about your environment. Without that information you can't tell what is normal, what is threatening, what is rewarding and so forth. You miss danger signs and miss opportunities for gaining things that may be beneficial (like possum poo, in our neighbourhood Smile).

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    They get into the habit of pulling because in the past it has got them to where they wanted to go in their inherently rewarding search for information. It has to be rewarding because it's adaptive to gain information about your environment. Without that information you can't tell what is normal, what is threatening, what is rewarding and so forth. You miss danger signs and miss opportunities for gaining things that may be beneficial

    Corvus, you said that so much better than I did. Big Smile

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    SpiritDogs: “[Dogs] are interested in procuring resources, which, loosely translated, means things that they want.  If they want to smell a scent and they get to do it by pulling the human over in that direction, they've been reinforced, and are likely to repeat that behavior when they want to smell something interesting.  I think the way they form attachments to things in the environment is that they experience good results.  … I tend to doubt the pre-sexual theory, though. Freud was the king of anecdote and speculation compared to today's knowledge base - he thought that schizophrenia was due to some narcissistic disorder, and we now know that it is an organic brain dysfunction, evidence of which we can see on brain scans.”

     

    Freud was a neuroscientist before he invented his form of psychotherapy. And he was the first to admit that certain of his ideas would either be proven or disproven by future advances in our scientific understanding of the brain. As for being the “king” of anecdote, in all my readings of Freud (which at this point, are just beginning), every time he relates a story or case history (i.e., anecdote), he’s quick to point out that “No certain decision can be made from a single case.” However, it’s his careful analysis, from the perspective not only of his limited understanding of neuroscience, but from the view of evolution and thermodynamics as well, that is (usually) quite brilliant.

     

    With all that said, I still find some Freudian concepts, the Oedipus complex, for one, hard to swallow. (But since it doesn't relate to canine behavior in any way, it doesn't really bother me.)

     

    It’s funny that you should mention brain scans, because Freud’s ideas have been getting a big re-birth recently, thanks primarily to MRI studies showing that some key psychoanalytic concepts have a basis in the neuroanatomy of the brain.

     

    One of the first studies was Roy Baumeister’s, “Ego-Depletion: Is the Active Self a Limited Resource?” In it Baumeister et all write the "...theory that volition is one of the self's crucial functions can be traced back at least to Freud (1923/ 1961a, 1933/1961b), who described the ego as the part of the psyche that must deal with the reality of the external world by mediating between conflicting inner and outer pressures. ... Freud also seems to have believed that the ego needed to use some energy in making such a decision. ... [and] he recognized the conceptual value of postulating that the ego operated on an energy model."

     

    Another study, done on dogs, probably inspired by the Baumeister study, shows that dogs exhibit “ego depletion” as well.

     

    In April, 2010, two scientists at Oxford published a paper, “The default mode, ego-functions and free energy: a neurobiological account of Freudian ideas.” It posits that Freud's view of how the Ego (the conscious mind) is designed to monitor and, if necessary, suppress impulses coming from the Id (that is the more archaic parts of the mind, or the "unconscious";), is, in fact, grounded in actual physical brain structures, as well as the types of brain waves that different parts of the brain, such as the limbic system (which controls emotion) and the pre-frontal cortex (the seat of executive function) use as part of their operating systems. They write, "Freudian concepts may have a real neurobiological substrates [that] could be usefully revisited in the context of modern neuroscience." They go on to say that new advances "allow us to recast Freudian ideas in a mechanistic and biologically informed fashion."

     

    As for your explanation (and Corvus’), that dogs are interested in seeking out resources, and that the pulling behavior is reinforced, that tells me: a) you haven’t read my article very carefully, and b) you’re imputing a human-like thought process onto the behavior.

     

    True, you’ve camouflaged it a bit by defining a resource as something the dog wants, but that still pre-supposes that the pulling – or, indeed, as Jaak Panksepp (who was initially an evolutionary psychiatrist, by the way), would call it, the “seeking” – behavior is part of a linear thought process rather than a simpler biological impulse: a drive to connect.

     

    Going back to the “pre-sexual” aspect of my article, it’s clear to me that Freud was right in saying that “Even though it is certain that sexuality and the distinction between the sexes did not exist when life [on earth] began, the possibility remains that the instincts which were later to be described as sexual may have been in operation from the very first." As I put it: “Atoms need to connect to one another in order to form molecules. Molecules form connections so as to evolve into living organisms. Living organisms are vitally driven to connect to sources of energy: air, water, sunlight, food, etc. The human body and brain operate together through myriads of connections: we couldn't sustain life without them. It makes sense that the body's connectors and connectees would need to have some form of [energetic] attraction to one another in order to ‘hook up.’”

     

    I also make a very clear comparison between the “non-realness” of my hypothetical drive to connect and the “non-realness” of positive reinforcement (and +R is just a clinical outgrowth of Freud’s pleasure principle, by the way). If my argument is correct, it means that any argument for +R and against the idea of the pre-sexual drive to connect is more a matter of personal choice than of science.

     

    I wrote: “The truth is, positive reinforcements are not actual, physical objects any more than my hypothetical drive to connect is. They're more akin to a function of statistics, measured solely in terms of a behavior's response strength. We can only know if a tangible object, such as a toy or liver treat, might or might not have provided the mechanism for reinforcement by interpreting the resultant behavior after the fact, through a +R lens. Since it's also possible to interpret any behavior through the opposite lens6, behavioral science loses credibility in this regard. Then, once you add the necessity for determining what kind of reinforcement schedule was at play (and there are far too many to list here)7, it simply boggles the mind how anyone can say they know with any certainty, other than as a pure leap of faith, that any behavior of any kind has been reinforced, or what the mechanism of reinforcement actually was.”

     

    If you haven’t read the footnotes of my article, I actually agree with the idea that the pulling behavior is being positively reinforced, with a caveat: “9) With all that said, I would actually agree that when a dog pulls, his behavior is being reinforced, but that the reinforcement comes from the pleasure the dog feels when he's cathecting his pent-up energy onto objects of attraction. This explanation is actually much simpler, far less abstract, and doesn't rely on statistics or arcane mental manipulanda. Plus the solution is much simpler too: provide the dog with a stronger feeling of pleasure (i.e., a stronger cathexis) by playing with him, on his level, and the pulling behavior will begin to diminish in strength, and may eventually stop on its own. Meanwhile it's hard for a dog to form a cathexis with clicker, or with someone who's dominating him.”

     

    Click below for more on why I think Freud is more relevant than Skinner or Pavlov.

     

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/my-puppy-my-self/201003/sigmund-freud-and-the-art-dog-training-part-i

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/my-puppy-my-self/201004/sigmund-freud-and-the-art-dog-training-part-ii

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    • Gold Top Dog

     If a dog is NOT pulling because it is basically rewarding, then how do you explain why dogs stop pulling when:

    a) a greater reward is offered beside the person

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    b) when the reinforcement (of getting where they want to go/continued forward motion) is removed each time pulling occurrs?

    Just curious.

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    Dogs pull on the leash, because something is pulling back on the dog. Simple oppositional reflex built into all mammals.  It takes two for pulling to occur. Drop the leash, and the dog is no longer pulling. Stick out tongue

     

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    Kim_MacMillan

    Dogs pull on the leash, because something is pulling back on the dog. Simple oppositional reflex built into all mammals.  It takes two for pulling to occur. Drop the leash, and the dog is no longer pulling. Stick out tongue

     

     

    Yup, and because the reasons for having the leash in the first place are against a dog's nature - chasing prey, greeting other dogs and people, investigating new sights, sounds, scents, roaming territory...

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    Chuffy

    b) when the reinforcement (of getting where they want to go/continued forward motion) is removed each time pulling occurrs?

    Just curious.

     

     That is how I taught Tootsie loose leash walking. She pulled and we'd stop, until there was slack on the leash. She quickly got that pulling=go nowhere. She seriously had a lightbulb moment.Idea

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    I think the "tree" method works great with a lot of dogs and is very easy, no complex training or tools needed, but it doesn't always work when dealing with a dog with much higher drive.  For high drive dogs, being restrained builds frustration, and frustration actually increases the level of drive and agitation.  Restraining dogs this way is used a lot in training and drive building.  So if you've got a dog with super prey drive and "be a tree" when he sees a squirrel and starts fixating, you are not going to achieve a whole lot.  For a dog like this (like Nikon), I think it's easier to combine management (avoiding or putting distance between you and whatever arouses the dog) with training incompatible behaviors.  For example, Nikon cannot "sit and watch me" while fixating on a squirrel, or he can't fixate on a squirrel if I simply do an about turn and take him out of sight.

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    Liesje
    For high drive dogs, being restrained builds frustration, and frustration actually increases the level of drive and agitation.  Restraining dogs this way is used a lot in training and drive building.  So if you've got a dog with super prey drive and "be a tree" when he sees a squirrel and starts fixating, you are not going to achieve a whole lot. 

    Agree with this - Bugsy is by default puller.  We have worked on it for years using various methods and he knows if I stop he has reached the acceptable distance and he must create slack - which he does - as soon as movement by the leash holder occurs he's off.  He knows that he will have to stop but years later I would say will still do a stop start at least once every walk.  He just gets so lost in whatever it is he is scenting and accumulating that I and the leash cease to exist. He really isn't pulling he is just trying to go at his speed where he wants to go

    If I were to state the reasons I believe he pulls is -

    he wants to move quickly, trotting is as slow as he likes to go.  Walking is terminally horrible to him.

    he is extremely stimulated by the environment  (his desire to move quickly, gathering info is increased in high interest places like a trail)

    his prey drive and drive is HIGH, he is ON or he is OFF.  You will not see him lazing away in the yard - when he moves he is happy and he is working - I honestly think he forgets you are holding the leash at times - because he is so enveloped in scenting

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    Liesje

    I think the "tree" method works great with a lot of dogs and is very easy, no complex training or tools needed, but it doesn't always work when dealing with a dog with much higher drive.  For high drive dogs, being restrained builds frustration, and frustration actually increases the level of drive and agitation.  Restraining dogs this way is used a lot in training and drive building.  So if you've got a dog with super prey drive and "be a tree" when he sees a squirrel and starts fixating, you are not going to achieve a whole lot.  For a dog like this (like Nikon), I think it's easier to combine management (avoiding or putting distance between you and whatever arouses the dog) with training incompatible behaviors.  For example, Nikon cannot "sit and watch me" while fixating on a squirrel, or he can't fixate on a squirrel if I simply do an about turn and take him out of sight.

     

    Agreed Liesje. Tootsie has 0 prey drive.