Bark Limiter G3

So tomorrow I'll set something up and see what the outcome is.

Sunshinegirl

...**I'm not running out of the shower to check her reaction to the collar!! LOL :D...

LOL  I don't blame you!  LOL  BUT- you can pretend to be taking a shower.    Go through all the steps you normaly do, just don't get in the shower.  Of course, I'm assuming the bathroom door is closed, so she won't see that you aren't really in the shower.

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Johnny&Tessy

I'm sitting here laughing at the thought of you shocking yourself to test it out!  Sorry, but I bet it'd be funny!  :))

 I watched a trainer do this, and he kept ramping it up thinking it wasn't working.  Until he repositioned, and hummed a "bark" out.  Then it zinged him.  Be careful about ramping it up without being absolutely sure the positioning is correct.  It can really startle you.

If that's the case, imagine what it can do to the dog.  

spiritdogs

If that's the case, imagine what it can do to the dog. 

Liesje

Nope, decided against it for him.  For one, I cannot afford the one I would need, nor the proper imprinting training to go with it.  We have no problems with our current methods and philosophies so I've decided it's just not worth it.  It won't really help me any and could just cause other problems.  I'm not against the collars, but I always want to use the best tool for the dog in each circumstance and so far we have no reason to switch to R- with him.

Thanks for sharing. I'm still glad that you brought it up as a discussion thread in the past and were able to come to a conclusion that worked for you.

I would like to have gotten more experience using it but it just wasn't worth the expensive, especially at this time since we are doing some really specific things like retrieves which are being totally free shaped, no collars or leashes of any kind being used.  I did not like how some of the other dogs acted overall once the e-collars went on.  It seems to work best with an over-the-top prey type dog, where the dog is out of control with prey drive and the e-collar is really the only thing that gets through to the dog clearly and consistently.  I also see that it works when there is conflict between the handler and dog and the dog needs some distance and ambiguity, or if there is no conflict but the dog is not working because he enjoys working with the handler he only cares about the ball or tug.  Nikon is none of these types of dogs.  I'm not worried about the level of the "correction", but he is the type of dog that places more value in things that come from me, both corrections and rewards.  For example he will play with a ball by himself and if he sees me pick up the same ball he instantly drops his ball and comes running over to me.  Or, I can put an e-collar on him and get no response with it on a very high level stim compared to some dogs' working level but if I say "no" in a stern voice without moving my body or touching him, he understands it as a verbal correction and stops what he's doing.  I don't need the distance or ambiguity of the e-collar and do not have conflict when I correct the dog and he knows where it's coming from.

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spiritdogs

If that's the case, imagine what it can do to the dog. 

I've seen it.  No need to imagine.  I suspect some imagine far worse than reality.

Oh, I figure you've used a few in your time.  And, sometimes the reality is worse than what some people imagine. 

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Now that I know it's positioned correctly, I will leave it on her when I leave the house and see if it's correcting her while I'm away.

Sunshinegirl

So, the collar seems to be working. I even encouraged her to bark, saying, "Who's out there, who is it?" When she starts to bark, a low little grumble comes out and then nothing - it's clearly stopping the barking. After trying it on myself, I feel comfortable using it on her. It's not like a shock that I originally expected - I thought it would be like an electrical shock. It's nowhere near as bad. I thought I would feel guilty using it on her, but I don't. Especially after seeing an article online last night asking, "Would you de-bark your dog if you were facing eviction due to barking?" I would never do that, even if we had to live in my car. It really hit home since we're in that exact position. This is far more humane. IMO

Now that I know it's positioned correctly, I will leave it on her when I leave the house and see if it's correcting her while I'm away.

Congrats on the collar working. Thats great that she obviously learned quickly.
Ive felt the stim from an ecollar, and I agree that it really wasnt anything like I expected. On the low setting, I could barely feel it. I put it on my wrist, and my neck, and I really couldnt feel anything easily noticable until it was up to level 3 (out of 8).  

Sunshinegirl

So, the collar seems to be working. I even encouraged her to bark, saying, "Who's out there, who is it?" When she starts to bark, a low little grumble comes out and then nothing - it's clearly stopping the barking. After trying it on myself, I feel comfortable using it on her. It's not like a shock that I originally expected - I thought it would be like an electrical shock. It's nowhere near as bad. I thought I would feel guilty using it on her, but I don't. Especially after seeing an article online last night asking, "Would you de-bark your dog if you were facing eviction due to barking?" I would never do that, even if we had to live in my car. It really hit home since we're in that exact position. This is far more humane. IMO

  If anyone is interesting in the facts about debarking this is a good FAQ: http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/archives/debark_qna.htm It certainly is not worse than losing your home and having to live in a car...

Sunshinegirl

After trying it on myself, I feel comfortable using it on her. It's not like a shock that I originally expected - I thought it would be like an electrical shock. It's nowhere near as bad. I thought I would feel guilty using it on her, but I don't.

 A static shock/carpet shock is like ten thousand volts.  I've never received that much shock from an e-collar even testing it on myself at a MUCH higher level than I would put on the dog.

*I could never de-bark my dog surgically. While volunteering at the shelter I heard dogs who had been altered this way and my personal opinion is that it's barbaric. I wouldn't do it to my child, therefore I wouldn't do it to my dog. JMO and OT, but I brought it up.

Sunshinegirl

*I could never de-bark my dog surgically. While volunteering at the shelter I heard dogs who had been altered this way and my personal opinion is that it's barbaric. I wouldn't do it to my child, therefore I wouldn't do it to my dog. JMO and OT, but I brought it up.

 Would you have your child's reproductive organs removed?

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