I really don't think I'm ever going to like my dads dog

    • Gold Top Dog

    I really don't think I'm ever going to like my dads dog

    So today another fight broke out between my dads dog and one of mine. He has a GSD and I have two Goldens. I raised my older golden an his GSD so I know neither of them were abused as they were both puppies when we got them but we got them two years apart. My dad however after two years of only petting his dog for five minutes a day and do absoultly nothing else with his dog that one day he was going to take over her training. At that point though I had spent a lot of time breaking up dog fights and trying to get his dog to be ok to be around. Well he seems to think its funny to have an agressive dog (one of many reasons he should not be allowed to own any animal) so since bringing home my other dog back in July I've had to break up about four fights a day and he just thinks its funny that his dog attacks the others and cats (it's killed two of my cats already) but now the problem has escalated and she has been biting me when I break up the fights only she never drew blood. UNTIL today that is and she had one tooth puncture my arm and the rest left bite marks as if a little kid bit someone. My dad WATCHED it happen and laughed when I got bit and didn't do anything to his dog didn't yell didn't do anything he just sat there laughing. And its not like she is biting me while I break up the dog fight it's always after like 5 minutes after I've broken up the dog fight.

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     Sounds like you need to make sure your dad's dog is kept 100% separate from your dogs from now on - there's no reason to allow your dogs to continue getting attacked and it's obvious that your dad won't do anything to help.

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    Wow.  Any chance you can move out and take your dogs with you?  Any family member you could reach out to for help?  School counselor or a church pastor you might talk to about this situation?  There is more going on here than just a dog problem. I couldn't put up with this and the fact that your Dad thinks it's funny is seriously scary.   I agree that you need to keep your dogs away from his dog and take precautions to avoid a very serious injury to you or your dogs.  Good luck and feel free to pm me if you want to talk privately.

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    GoldensAreTheBest
    Well he seems to think its funny to have an agressive dog (one of many reasons he should not be allowed to own any animal)

    All I can say is I am so sorry; and I tend to agree he shouldn't own animals if he laughs at you being bitten and laughs at dog and cat attacks.  How old are you?  Sorry if I've missed this in past posts.

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    I'm sorry but your dad should not be allowed to own animals.  I honestly feel the dog would have a better shot at a fair life with someone else.  I would report the bite.  Get it checked out b/c of infection.  If it's a dog bite, then most places notify police/animal control.  Let them deal with the situation.  If they feel the dog should be removed, that's probably for the better.  It's not your fault and you should not have to put yourself or your dogs at risk.

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    If you can get out of the house, do so.

    If you are stuck, you need to be the adult.  Treat the GSD as though he is your dog.  What would you do?  You have a dog that was rescued from some lunatic and now must incorporate him into your household.  You have trained your Goldens, so you have some experience.  Remember, you are the Benevolent Dictator for Life. Charge up the clicker with this dog.  If you've never used clicker, you will love it.  To charge up the clicker get you and the GSD in a private environment with no distractions.  Click once, give treat.  Do this 20 times.  He's smart, he'll probably learn the click/treat chain in five clicks.  Do click and treat 20 more times, but now make him wait one second, then two seconds, then one second, then three seconds.  By click 20 (click 40) he should be able to wait and anticipate over five seconds.  I'll bet he'll do ten seconds or more.  Do not be surprized if he mouths the clicker.  This means he understands the association, that the click brings on a treat.  Once you have him charged up to the clicker you can start training him with it.  There are lots of articles and lots of books on clicker training.  Start with a simple sit, which he probably already knows, but it will give him a chance to build confidence and a working relationship with you.

     Also, you should be the one feeding him.  Use a high quality food, one whose first ingredient is a meat.  Some dogs do not do well on a corn based food (like Purina) and it may show in their temperament.  Anyway, let him watch you put kibble in his dish.  Tell him to sit.  He sits (you have food, he'll sit).  Praise.  Tell him to wait.  Wait ten seconds.  Give him his release word (like "at ease", or "lifeboat",...) Click and put dish down.   He needs to get in the habit of waiting for you to release him before he gets to eat.  This puts you in the alpha position in a nonconfrontational manner.  Do this everytime he is fed.  Do not free feed this dog.

     Keep treats on you.  As other posters said, you should be keeping the dogs separate at this time, so treating and training will not get confusing with all three dogs in the room.  Work this dog on sitting constantly.  When you enter the room and he rushes you, hold up the clicker for him to see and tell him, "sit".  Click and treat.  When he is sitting in front of you without being told, you can omit the click and just use praise and treat.  When he needs to go outside he sits at the door or it doesn't open.  After teaching him to sit at the door, next step is for him to wait until you open the door and say, "King, out".

     As soon as you see him respecting you, add a nice neck rub to the click and praise.  You will be gradually omitting the treat, and you want him to accept petting as a praise. When you feel that you are getting ahead with him do long line work.  This will exercise him and help to further cement your position as leader.

    This dog should not be on furniture or beds.  You probably can only control your bed, so keep him out of your room.  If your father throws up a roadblock to your training schedule, call your Social Services/Child Protective Services in your county.   They take a dim view of dogs biting children.

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    stardog85
    Sounds like you need to make sure your dad's dog is kept 100% separate from your dogs from now on

     

    Agreed if you dont live in the same house

    Maura
    Treat the GSD as though he is your dog.

     

    Agreed if you live in the same house. If that's the case then in that house are 2 packs. Your dad and GSD and you and the goldens, no brainer why there are so many fights. Also you have to be careful about how you feel about the GSD. I dont blame you for how you feel but resentment towards him will not make things better. The GSD will know you dont trust him and he will not trust you back either

    Be the "bigger person" and welcome him to you, he does not know better since your dad could care less about his behavior

    You can "rescue" the GSD from your dad, he clearly wont care if you spend time training him. Make him part of your "pack" so all get along. Most likely the GSD will listen you you more than your dad and the fights will stop since the GDS would feel that he belongs to your pack now

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     From a distance, it's easy to pity the GSD for drawing the short straw.  I know I'm doing it.  But in reality - please don't put yourself at risk to "save" this dog, or make him get along with yours.  I think for any rehab to be properly effective your dad would have to be on board too, if you live in the same house.  I eel bad for you, this is a very difficult situation.

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     wow.  Goldensarethebest -- this is pretty serious stuff, and goes way beyond yours vs. your dad's dog.  I truly hope he realizes there is a problem here and needs to find out why he gets pleasure from another's pain.  I feel for you, hon -- and those poor cats.  This is more than someone on a dog forum can help you (and your dogs) with. If something serious should occur again I think the police should be contacted -- it may be the wake-up call that your dad needs.  

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    Ok going to try to answer all the questions at once sorry if I leave some unanswered. I am 19 and if I could move out I would in a heart beat. I have been unemployed for the past four months and I am hoping to no end I get the job I have just applied to a few hours ago. Because within 6 weeks I will be able to pay him back the money I have borrowed and can then move out only problem is that I would have to go away for six weeks but then I would get 2-3 weeks off then it would be like that until the end of the season in november (the job is on a cruise from near where I live to alaska). However my second 6 weeks I will be able to afford to move out and go back to providing the high quality dog food for my dogs that I used to when I had a job. While I would be gone my mom told me she would watch my animals for me as she and my dad divorced a long time ago. My dad also seems to think his dog is friendly and that it was my fault and I pissed off his dog and thats when I told him that dog bites me one more time even if it doesnt break the skin that dog WILL go to the pound without a second thought. Not only does my dad think it was funny she bit me but he also thinks she's friendly enough to be around my 2 and a half year old neice until my brother stepped in after seeing the bite wound which was still bleeding this morning for some reason anyways my brother told him if that dog goes within 100ft of his daughter he was going to kill it himself and I believe he would. But yeah basically all I can do at the moment is hope I get the job, pay him back, then move out. As for keeping his dog and mine seperate trust me I do the best I can but since his dog is in the living room all the time I try to keep mine towards the back of the house but they do have to go outside and for a walk and thats when they get attacked.

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    Liesje
    I'm sorry but your dad should not be allowed to own animals.  I honestly feel the dog would have a better shot at a fair life with someone else.  I would report the bite.  Get it checked out b/c of infection.  If it's a dog bite, then most places notify police/animal control.  Let them deal with the situation.  If they feel the dog should be removed, that's probably for the better.  It's not your fault and you should not have to put yourself or your dogs at risk.

     

    The problem with this though, is it does nothing to fix the problem of an irresponsible owner. The dog may or may not be removed for a bite quarantine at the local animal control facility. It may or may not be allowed back into the home. And if it's not allowed back in the home, most animal control facilities euthanize anything with a bite history. So, the dog is dead, the dad learns nothing, and is in position to get a new dog that will likely end up just as dangerous.

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    tenna
    The problem with this though, is it does nothing to fix the problem of an irresponsible owner.

    That's why as far as I'm concerned their needs to be stricter pet laws and they need to be enforced. I mean as it is now yeah its the law that the dogs get licensed but nobody really does it. When animal control finds out that you don't have a license for your animal they charge you $70 and then you get to license your dog and if its fixed you pay $11 if it's not you get to pay $41. The only other law really is that within city limits you are only allowed four animals. But neither one really gets enforced. And unless the animal is dying or something the animal control here doesnt really pay much attention about abuse compliants. I mean if you animal cops or something like that on animal planet you will see that they will ask the owner to sign over the animal even if they are taking care of it or if there is a problem and the owner has a vet appointment for it they still ask them the sign the animal over yet an animal has to actually die here for the animal control to do anything it doesnt really make sence to me.